Dedoimedo to Xfce 4.14: meh
Re: Dedoimedo to Xfce 4.14: meh
I agree. Changing from GTK2 to 3 is actually a big thing, and there were a lot of bugfixes too.
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Re: Dedoimedo to Xfce 4.14: meh
Is that correct for everybody?!now at 450-500 mb it's more to KDE
Production: 5.10, MX-23 Xfce, AMD FX-4130 Quad-Core, GeForce GT 630/PCIe/SSE2, 16 GB, SSD 120 GB, Data 1TB
Personal: Lenovo X1 Carbon with MX-23 Fluxbox and Windows 10
Other: Raspberry Pi 5 with MX-23 Xfce Raspberry Pi Respin
Personal: Lenovo X1 Carbon with MX-23 Fluxbox and Windows 10
Other: Raspberry Pi 5 with MX-23 Xfce Raspberry Pi Respin
Re: Dedoimedo to Xfce 4.14: meh
Every picture tells a story... see attached
XFCE on MX18.3 - note uptime.
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Chris
MX 18 MX 19 - Manjaro
MX 18 MX 19 - Manjaro
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Re: Dedoimedo to Xfce 4.14: meh
Mine is hot .... 
There is simply no comparison - try it, you are a co-conspirator, baby - whether you like it or not
Jack
https://sourceforge.net/projects/mx-kde-iso/files/
There is simply no comparison - try it, you are a co-conspirator, baby - whether you like it or not
Jack
https://sourceforge.net/projects/mx-kde-iso/files/
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Re: Dedoimedo to Xfce 4.14: meh
I'm running about 540 mb on mx19 w/ xfce 4.14.
http://www.youtube.com/runwiththedolphin
lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 4 - MX-23
FYI: mx "test" repo is not the same thing as debian testing repo.
lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 4 - MX-23
FYI: mx "test" repo is not the same thing as debian testing repo.
Re: Dedoimedo to Xfce 4.14: meh
Huh! That's quite a jump.
Production: 5.10, MX-23 Xfce, AMD FX-4130 Quad-Core, GeForce GT 630/PCIe/SSE2, 16 GB, SSD 120 GB, Data 1TB
Personal: Lenovo X1 Carbon with MX-23 Fluxbox and Windows 10
Other: Raspberry Pi 5 with MX-23 Xfce Raspberry Pi Respin
Personal: Lenovo X1 Carbon with MX-23 Fluxbox and Windows 10
Other: Raspberry Pi 5 with MX-23 Xfce Raspberry Pi Respin
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Re: Dedoimedo to Xfce 4.14: meh
every debian jump is a good sized one. in xfce's case, the gtk3 stuff is usually larger too.
http://www.youtube.com/runwiththedolphin
lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 4 - MX-23
FYI: mx "test" repo is not the same thing as debian testing repo.
lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 4 - MX-23
FYI: mx "test" repo is not the same thing as debian testing repo.
Re: Dedoimedo to Xfce 4.14: meh
Meanwhile on Windows:
20 year old toolkit(s)
Fractional scaling
Backwards compatibility
Not every application is perfect, but it shows you don't have to break everything to implement modern features.
It's heavy though:
1.2 GB RAM (Enterprise LTSC with some tweaks)
It's proprietary and full of telemetry... Apart from the Store and UWP apps (which aren't installed), Microsoft didn't reinvent the toolkit(s) and that's appreciated. GTK3 has been a lost decade for Linux. That's my opinion anyway.
There are improvements in Xfce 4.14, but the main effort was spent porting to GTK3. And because GTK3 offers nothing except 2.x scaling, it's easy to simply say "meh", despite the considerable effort.
Then there are GTK3 regressions compared to GTK2, because everything written "from scratch" has regressions. Another throw away the baby with the bathwater type of thing. Both Xfce and Cinnamon devs seem positive though and that's the only thing that makes me believe in a GTK future.
20 year old toolkit(s)
Fractional scaling
Backwards compatibility
Not every application is perfect, but it shows you don't have to break everything to implement modern features.
It's heavy though:
1.2 GB RAM (Enterprise LTSC with some tweaks)
It's proprietary and full of telemetry... Apart from the Store and UWP apps (which aren't installed), Microsoft didn't reinvent the toolkit(s) and that's appreciated. GTK3 has been a lost decade for Linux. That's my opinion anyway.
There are improvements in Xfce 4.14, but the main effort was spent porting to GTK3. And because GTK3 offers nothing except 2.x scaling, it's easy to simply say "meh", despite the considerable effort.
Then there are GTK3 regressions compared to GTK2, because everything written "from scratch" has regressions. Another throw away the baby with the bathwater type of thing. Both Xfce and Cinnamon devs seem positive though and that's the only thing that makes me believe in a GTK future.
Re: Dedoimedo to Xfce 4.14: meh
Care to share some screenshots of that Plasma setup which uses 350MB on boot?Auro Kumar Sahoo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:33 amYes, the modern KDE 5.16 is 350 mb Ram with 0-1% CPU at a fresh start or idle state.(as tested on KDE neon and kubuntu minimal)
Xfce usually during 2012 has better and lower memory footprint, but now at 450-500 mb it's more to KDE.
Re: Dedoimedo to Xfce 4.14: meh
I do sometimes get the feeling that gnome with gtk3 doesn't really care about a lean desktop or worry about bloat. This could be an issue for a DE like Xfce that is known for being fast and lean. I've seen MATE pick up in ram use as it moved to gtk3. Plasma is is proving how a rather formidable DE can be lean and fast.