Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview
Re: Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview
Good interview. The developer seems like a nice guy. The problem with GTK 3 is that eventually it may result in MATE = Gnome 3 with MATE panel, XFCE = Gnome 3 with XFCE panel etc. We have seen how Gnome/Red Hat has "unified" the desktop space: Pulseaudio, Plymouth, PolicyKit, GTK 3, DBus, Systemd, libinput, Wayland etc. It becomes harder and harder to maintain an independent Linux DE.
I see GTK 3 as a great danger. The XFCE taskmanager (GTK 3) seems dumbed down. It's not easy to see total RAM usage in MBs. Also GTK 2 desktops have good incremental support for HiDPI for all toolkits (GTK 2/3, QT 4/5). GTK 3 desktops only support 2x scaling and don't support scaling of GTK 2 apps.
I see GTK 3 as a great danger. The XFCE taskmanager (GTK 3) seems dumbed down. It's not easy to see total RAM usage in MBs. Also GTK 2 desktops have good incremental support for HiDPI for all toolkits (GTK 2/3, QT 4/5). GTK 3 desktops only support 2x scaling and don't support scaling of GTK 2 apps.
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Re: Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview
As long as there's the GPL, the Linux Foundation (the keepers of the kernel), and the purists at Debian, I'm not concerned. In fact, Red Hat's commercial success should be celebrated as far as I'm concerned.polaca57 wrote:Ever wonder why Linux distros are adopting systemd?
Answer: money
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Re: Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview
Purists at Debian?uncle mark wrote:As long as there's the GPL, the Linux Foundation (the keepers of the kernel), and the purists at Debian, I'm not concerned. In fact, Red Hat's commercial success should be celebrated as far as I'm concerned.polaca57 wrote:Ever wonder why Linux distros are adopting systemd?
Answer: money
Motive: control and monopoly, hint: red-hat = next red-mond
Redhat
Revenue US$2.4 billion (2016)[3]
Operating income US$288.05 million (2016)[3]
Net income US$199.37 million (2016)[3]
Total assets US$4.155 billion (2016)[3]
Total equity US$1.334 billion (2016)[3]
Red Hat is a large US Defense Contractor, closely aligned with the objectives of NSA. Why do you think every distro "had to" adopt Systemd? Red Hat is better than Microsoft because it's FOSS. At least there's that.
Re: Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview
If you had followed the debate on whether Debian should adopt systemd you would recall that the argument that carried the day was that systemd was being actively developed and maintained while there was trouble getting anybody to maintain sysvinit, much less improve it.
I'm no fan of systemd, but it wasn't all about money or control. In the FOSS universe people mostly work on what they *want* to work on, and if nobody wants to work on a particular project then other projects will take its place.
I'm no fan of systemd, but it wasn't all about money or control. In the FOSS universe people mostly work on what they *want* to work on, and if nobody wants to work on a particular project then other projects will take its place.
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Re: Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview
I guess I'm going to have to get some more tinfoil.dreamer wrote:Purists at Debian?
Red Hat is a large US Defense Contractor, closely aligned with the objectives of NSA. Why do you think every distro "had to" adopt Systemd? Red Hat is better than Microsoft because it's FOSS. At least there's that.
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Re: Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview
Do we know what really happened to Ian Murdock? We don't.timkb4cq wrote:If you had followed the debate on whether Debian should adopt systemd you would recall that the argument that carried the day was that systemd was being actively developed and maintained while there was trouble getting anybody to maintain sysvinit, much less improve it.
I'm no fan of systemd, but it wasn't all about money or control. In the FOSS universe people mostly work on what they *want* to work on, and if nobody wants to work on a particular project then other projects will take its place.
Re: Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview
Tell Red Hat to start sending some of that sweet, sweet dirty money this way, then.
Re: Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview
The price you will have to pay is adopt systemd and be assimilated. And I am not joking.Stevo wrote:Tell Red Hat to start sending some of that sweet, sweet dirty money this way, then.
Re: Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview
Come on, we need to take it easy here.
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Re: Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview
Let's wait to see if xfce 4.14 comes with any systemd dependencies by default. No point getting all worked up right now.
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