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Re: Installation issues and concerns

#41 Post by Byteria » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:20 am

dolphin_oracle wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:07 pm
Byteria wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:37 pm
Just for understand:

minstall and mx-installer are the same tool?
yes
I did test last night ─ using MX-17.1_May_x64.iso ─ md5sum Ok, K3b Ok.

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At Boot Menu, all standards option, ─ except for Time Zone (America / Sao_Paulo).

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$ history
    1  sudo apt update
    2  apt list --upgradable
    3  sudo apt upgrade
    4  clear
    5  sudo apt install mx-installer
    6  sudo -E env LANG=en_US.UFT8 /usr/sbin/minstall
    7  watch sensors
    8  htop
    9  history
Upgrade:

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demo@mx1:~
$ apt list --upgradable
Listing... Done
adobe-flash-properties-gtk/mx 1:20180607.1-1mx17+1 amd64 [upgradable from: 1:20180508.1-1mx17+1]
adobe-flashplugin/mx 1:20180607.1-1mx17+1 amd64 [upgradable from: 1:20180508.1-1mx17+1]
apt-notifier/mx,mx 18.05.18mx17+2 all [upgradable from: 18.04.21mx17+1]
dirmngr/stable 2.1.18-8~deb9u2 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.1.18-8~deb9u1]
firefox/mx 60.0.2~mozillabinaries-1mx17+1 amd64 [upgradable from: 60.0.1~mozillabinaries-1mx17+1]
gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0/stable 1.1.5-2+deb9u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 1.1.5-2]
git/stable 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u3 amd64 [upgradable from: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u2]
git-man/stable,stable 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u3 all [upgradable from: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u2]
gnupg/stable 2.1.18-8~deb9u2 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.1.18-8~deb9u1]
gnupg-agent/stable 2.1.18-8~deb9u2 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.1.18-8~deb9u1]
gnupg2/stable,stable 2.1.18-8~deb9u2 all [upgradable from: 2.1.18-8~deb9u1]
gpgv/stable 2.1.18-8~deb9u2 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.1.18-8~deb9u1]
libpackagekit-glib2-18/stable 1.1.5-2+deb9u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 1.1.5-2]
libperl5.24/stable 5.24.1-3+deb9u4 amd64 [upgradable from: 5.24.1-3+deb9u3]
libprocps6/stable 2:3.3.12-3+deb9u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2:3.3.12-3]
mx-antix-libs/mx,mx 0.4.3 all [upgradable from: 0.4.2mx16+1]
mx-apps/mx,mx 18.06mx17 all [upgradable from: 18.02mx17]
mx-installer/mx 18.6.2 amd64 [upgradable from: 18.4.04mx17]
mx-iso-template/mx,mx 18.05.01mx17 all [upgradable from: 18.03.01mx17]
mx-packageinstaller-pkglist/mx,mx 18.06.03 all [upgradable from: 18.05.01]
mx-remastercc/mx 18.6.1 amd64 [upgradable from: 18.3+1]
mx-snapshot/mx 18.5 amd64 [upgradable from: 18.3+1]
mx-system/mx,mx 18.05 all [upgradable from: 17.06]
perl/stable 5.24.1-3+deb9u4 amd64 [upgradable from: 5.24.1-3+deb9u3]
perl-base/stable 5.24.1-3+deb9u4 amd64 [upgradable from: 5.24.1-3+deb9u3]
perl-modules-5.24/stable,stable 5.24.1-3+deb9u4 all [upgradable from: 5.24.1-3+deb9u3]
procps/stable 2:3.3.12-3+deb9u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2:3.3.12-3]
smxi-inxi-antix/stretch,stretch 0.4.9 all [upgradable from: 0.4.8]
thunderbird/mx 2:52.8.0-1~mx17+3 amd64 [upgradable from: 2:52.7.0~mozillabinaries-1mx17+1]
xdg-utils/stable,stable 1.1.1-1+deb9u1 all [upgradable from: 1.1.1-1]
xfce4-weather-plugin/mx 0.8.10-1~mx17+1 amd64 [upgradable from: 0.8.9-1]

demo@mx1:~
$ sudo apt upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  fskbsetting gazelle-installer-data-mx gir1.2-polkit-1.0 lightning mx-cleanup python-configobj
  python-dbus python-lxml
The following packages will be upgraded:
  adobe-flash-properties-gtk adobe-flashplugin apt-notifier dirmngr firefox
  gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 git git-man gnupg gnupg-agent gnupg2 gpgv libpackagekit-glib2-18
  libperl5.24 libprocps6 mx-antix-libs mx-apps mx-installer mx-iso-template
  mx-packageinstaller-pkglist mx-remastercc mx-snapshot mx-system perl perl-base perl-modules-5.24
  procps smxi-inxi-antix thunderbird xdg-utils xfce4-weather-plugin
31 upgraded, 8 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 124 MB of archives.
After this operation, 18.1 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

demo@mx1:~
$ sudo apt upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  fskbsetting gazelle-installer-data-mx gir1.2-polkit-1.0 lightning mx-cleanup python-configobj
  python-dbus python-lxml
The following packages will be upgraded:
  adobe-flash-properties-gtk adobe-flashplugin apt-notifier dirmngr firefox
  gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 git git-man gnupg gnupg-agent gnupg2 gpgv libpackagekit-glib2-18
  libperl5.24 libprocps6 mx-antix-libs mx-apps mx-installer mx-iso-template
  mx-packageinstaller-pkglist mx-remastercc mx-snapshot mx-system perl perl-base perl-modules-5.24
  procps smxi-inxi-antix thunderbird xdg-utils xfce4-weather-plugin
31 upgraded, 8 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 124 MB of archives.
After this operation, 18.1 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
Upgrade installer:

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demo@mx1:~
$ sudo apt install mx-installer
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
mx-installer is already the newest version (18.6.2).
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Installer:

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$ sudo -E env LANG=en_US.UFT8 /usr/sbin/minstall

(process:9304): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
	Using the fallback 'C' locale.
Offer Home Encryption is  "true"

(fskbsetting:9758): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
	Using the fallback 'C' locale.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/fskbsetting", line 21, in <module>
    from fskbsetting import fskbsetting
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/fskbsetting/fskbsetting.py", line 37, in <module>
    locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '')
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/locale.py", line 581, in setlocale
    return _setlocale(category, locale)
locale.Error: unsupported locale setting
^C
^C^C^C^C^C


^C^C^C^C^C
^C
^C^C
^C^C^C
Beginning Installer ─ first part of code above:

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Trying to Change Keyboard settings ─ second part of code above:

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22:53 - Choose HDD (sdd) - Custom install on existing partitions:

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22:56 - Choose Partitions (with no additional settings) ─ Click NEXT

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22:58 - Progress (still Zero). ─ There was no warning about erase data:

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12 minutes later:

23:10 - Installer - BLACK after power-saving blackscreen

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Waiting some time, until 23:26.

First images are smartphone photos ─ but after some time, I have tryed some actions that I did'nt try before:

- Set Installer window "Always on top" ─ so, no other window would cover it. But...
- Open Terminal with Htop, to see activity
- Open Terminal with Watch Sensors
- Screenshots (easier than photos)

Chronology, by photos and screenshots:

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22:27 - Boot-Menu
22:37 - sudo apt upgrade
22:50 - Installer - Begin
22:51 - Installer - Change Keyboard settings - Oops
22:53 - Installer - Choose HDD (sdd) - Custom existing partitions
22:56 - Installer - Choose Partitions - NEXT
22:58 - Installer - Progress-Zero
23:10 - Installer - BLACK after power-saving blackscreen
23:11 - Installer - Always on Top
23:17 - htop & snapshots
23:17 - htop & snapshots
23:20 - htop & snapshots
23:22 - htop & snapshots
23:22 - htop & snapshots
23:23 - htop & snapshots
23:23 - htop & snapshots
23:26 - htop & snapshots
Finally, tryed Ctrl+C and Ctrl+D.

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Re: Installation issues and concerns

#42 Post by dolphin_oracle » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:30 am

I don't know what's going on, but there is a typo in your LANG value.


also, you don't need that lang value at all if you are keeping English as the language (which you did in your screenshots).
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Re: Installation issues and concerns

#43 Post by fehlix » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:37 am

Wow, what a nice story...
Ok. First ignore the GTK-Warnings.
The error message below that, might be due to the LANG
you used wrongly "LANG=en_US.UTF8"
I wrote:

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[b]sudo -E env LANG=en_US.UTF-8 /usr/sbin/minstall[/b]
Not sure whether this "error" is the reason for the further stop.
Could you also turn off power saving to not get confused by this again.
Thanks for you cooperations.
fehlix

EDIT: Better make a full dist upgrade, so you have all latest availa

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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
EDIT2: How many partitons to you have on the MBR-bios drive?
Would you also mind recreate these partitons you are going to use
with Gparted before you start the installer. And have also all partions unmonted also.
I do have the feeling something wrong on the drive/partion level.
E.g number of partions on MBR-device is limited, etc...
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Re: Installation issues and concerns

#44 Post by Adrian » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:31 am

When the installer starts the installation (I mean at the step it locks) you should see more info on the terminal if you run it from there -- that should give us a clue what steps fails. I don't know why there's no more info, I see something like this:

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Re: Installation issues and concerns

#45 Post by fehlix » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:43 am

@adrian,
my guess: When the practical limit of partitions is reached
the mxinstaller just hangs. If one has more than 3prim and 11 logical,
recreating a partitions might just stuck without further error mesg.
We might think to check this limit of mbr-partitions. I know that's not a theoretical
limit of extended partition design, but an implementation limit within
most linux libs and the MBR holding only 16 ( 3 prim + 1 extended + 12 logical).
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Re: Installation issues and concerns

#46 Post by Adrian » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:56 am

It's possible but the partitions are already created, he just selects them. The installer would reformat them but they are already created so I'm not sure is that.

We probably need to do a better job to print the commands that they are executed before they are executed to catch where the problems like this appears as it stands now the installer spits some commands out to terminal but not all of them

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Re: Installation issues and concerns

#47 Post by fehlix » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:08 pm

Adrian wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:56 am
It's possible but the partitions are already created, he just selects them. The installer would reformat them but they are already created so I'm not sure is that.

We probably need to do a better job to print the commands that they are executed before they are executed to catch where the problems like this appears as it stands now the installer spits some commands out to terminal but not all of them
A debug mode might help to get more output.
..
We don't know how the partitons originally have been created
and how many partitions exists. You can create more than the practical limit.
I've done it. And it took a "long" while to recover after made some changes
with tools which stick to the limit.
E.g if more than 15 partitions exists and you try to recreate/reformat one
you might call libs, which has no clue about such a big numer of partitions.
Thats the point I try to make. Not sure that's the reason for the issue in this case.
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Re: Installation issues and concerns

#48 Post by Byteria » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:10 pm

fehlix wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:37 am
Wow, what a nice story...
Ok. First ignore the GTK-Warnings.
The error message below that, might be due to the LANG
you used wrongly "LANG=en_US.UTF8"
I wrote:

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[b]sudo -E env LANG=en_US.UTF-8 /usr/sbin/minstall[/b]
Not sure whether this "error" is the reason for the further stop.
Could you also turn off power saving to not get confused by this again.
Thanks for you cooperations.
fehlix

EDIT: Better make a full dist upgrade, so you have all latest availa

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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
EDIT2: How many partitons to you have on the MBR-bios drive?
Would you also mind recreate these partitons you are going to use
with Gparted before you start the installer. And have also all partions unmonted also.
I do have the feeling something wrong on the drive/partion level.
E.g number of partions on MBR-device is limited, etc...
dolphin_oracle

thanks, indeed I had typo en_US in the command.

It is possible to try again, without LANG specification ─ and other different parameters, such as:

- no Timezone change at Boot Menu
- check if all partitions are unmounted, before to open Installer
- no Pendrive, no Terminal-text copy, no other minimized app
- turn off Power Saving
- etc.
- and photograph verbose-boot, for the case that some warning about Intel i915 could be relevant

It could be all-in-one session.

fehlix

indeed, all other times I had tryed, there was no typo in LANG, ─ as I never had called Installer by command, ─ so I believe this was not the cause to hang now, too.

In name of truth, these partitions Linux11, Home11, Swap11 belong to Manjaro, ─ and they were not touched. ─ I am using Manjaro now, and it seems to present no sequels.

But in previous trials, partitions Linux10, Home10 had been previously formated, ─ and Installer presented the same hang, back then.

In some previous trials, I did run GParted within the Live MX session, before to open Installer, ─ but other times, I did run GParted from a Live Knoppix session, before MX session, ─ so I think it didn't make difference to the hang, too.

Difference is that now I didn't fill nothing about Label, or to preserve / don't preserve Home content, ─ in order to check all possibilities. ─ It seems that it did'nt make difference, too.

Remembering that in Live antiX (March ISO) the Installer worked fine since the first attempt. ─ Ok, I didn't try it again, so I don't know if it would fail.

One thing I never did, in all these attempts: ─ Never checked if partitions were mounted or unmounted, before to open Installer. ─ It is not reasonable to presume that it could be necessary.

How many people do this, before begin to install any distro? If a Live ISO mounts partitions, logically its installer will unmount them, or ask to.

Some times, in the past, with other distros, I did manually mount some partitions, to check some infos, ─ and installers asked to unmount them, sometimes even if they were'nt target partitions (because of technical reasons).

About BIOS-MBR partitioning...

- "sdd" is an USB2 external SSD

It is possible to delete and re-create sdd2 partition ("Linux11"), but I prefer not to do such things.

All this partitioning was made in early 2017 and have been used since then. After many Installer hangs last May, 23 and 24, I did give a try to antiX, and its Installer worked fine, ─ it was installed in the same Linux10, Home10, Swap10 partitions.

And this week, Live MX cli-install did work fine, too, ─ in the same Linux10, Home10, Swap10 partitions.

So, why to think the Installer hangs could be caused by them?

These are my partitions ─ 12 modular "slots" for 12 distros:

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This partitioning works fine, and I would't like to touch it without a good reason.

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Re: Installation issues and concerns

#49 Post by dolphin_oracle » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:14 pm

the last time we had this issue, the poster also had several drives with several partitions each (something like 40).

that poster ended up taking out 3 of his drives and the install proceeded.
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Re: Installation issues and concerns

#50 Post by fehlix » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:18 pm

Your partitioning looks fine to me.
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