I've been wondering why MX is so different compared to other distros concerning how the developers work.
Here, they come to the forum and respond to questions and requests, and if possible, update software.
On the other hand Mint, for example, says that since they're based on Ubuntu, they rely on Ubuntu's packages.
And the developers do not go to the forum.
What makes the difference? I would assume a distribution like Mint has many more developers.
And MX is based on Debian, so why don't the developers just rely on Debian's packages?
This is an honest question, and not meant to bash Mint.
I used it for around 5 years and liked it.
Thanks
Question: MX package requests vs. other distros
- dolphin_oracle
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Re: Question: MX package requests vs. other distros
our backported repo is one reason MX is different from standard debian. we also rely on debian packages.Redacted wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:36 pm I've been wondering why MX is so different compared to other distros concerning how the developers work.
Here, they come to the forum and respond to questions and requests, and if possible, update software.
On the other hand Mint, for example, says that since they're based on Ubuntu, they rely on Ubuntu's packages.
And the developers do not go to the forum.
What makes the difference? I would assume a distribution like Mint has many more developers.
And MX is based on Debian, so why don't the developers just rely on Debian's packages?
This is an honest question, and not meant to bash Mint.
I used it for around 5 years and liked it.
Thanks
and you might be surprised how few developers are behind the scenes at mint. but mint also supported PPAs, which debian does not (including MX).
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FYI: mx "test" repo is not the same thing as debian testing repo.
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FYI: mx "test" repo is not the same thing as debian testing repo.
Re: Question: MX package requests vs. other distros
We don't have that many packagers, but they are very prolific. I think they have a good set up and they can spin .debs quickly unless the package requires some strange dependency.
Re: Question: MX package requests vs. other distros
For several years I used stevenpusser's PPA for Pale Moon, always getting that warning of "untrusted". Never knowing that it's our own Stevo!dolphin_oracle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:42 pm but mint also supported PPAs, which debian does not (including MX).
That is kind of a surprise.and you might be surprised how few developers are behind the scenes at mint
That's the truth! I am constantly amazed.
Thank you for your responses.
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Re: Question: MX package requests vs. other distros
I don't know how accurate this is, but suspect it's in the ball-park:
https://www.owler.com/company/linuxmint
Other differences between MX and Mint is that Mint is a commercial organisation, with a CEO, and employees. MX is by enthusiasts, for enthusiasts.
Mint is based in one country, with employees working set hours. MX is reasonably global, so someone is watching the forum pretty much 24/7. I know that especially during development some of the team put in some tremendously long hours, often late into the night. You simply couldn't pay employees to do that.
In many respects MX is unique. The major distros are huge commercial bodies. Most of the rest are 'one man bands' with a bit of help from others. MX is pretty collaborative, and quite democratic in how it develops.
Chris
https://www.owler.com/company/linuxmint
Other differences between MX and Mint is that Mint is a commercial organisation, with a CEO, and employees. MX is by enthusiasts, for enthusiasts.
Mint is based in one country, with employees working set hours. MX is reasonably global, so someone is watching the forum pretty much 24/7. I know that especially during development some of the team put in some tremendously long hours, often late into the night. You simply couldn't pay employees to do that.
In many respects MX is unique. The major distros are huge commercial bodies. Most of the rest are 'one man bands' with a bit of help from others. MX is pretty collaborative, and quite democratic in how it develops.
Chris
MX Facebook Group Administrator.
Home-built desktop - Core i5 9400, 970 EVO Plus, 8GB
DELL XPS 15
Lots of test machines
Home-built desktop - Core i5 9400, 970 EVO Plus, 8GB
DELL XPS 15
Lots of test machines
Re: Question: MX package requests vs. other distros
The packagers were also forum members before they learned the techniques of proper Debian packaging, and haven't left. Debian developers depend instead on mailing lists, as far as I know...don't know about Mint. Bunsen Lab developers use the forum much like we do here.
Re Pale Moon: I don't think the openSUSE Build Service guys would like it being thought of as a PPA, when it can also build Debian and many different rpm packages from one set of source files, where PPAs are strictly Ubuntu-only. It's very powerful, but I still only know how to use a few of its features. I just recently learned how to branch one OBS repo off of another, so that the new one uses packages from the first to build its own.
Re Pale Moon: I don't think the openSUSE Build Service guys would like it being thought of as a PPA, when it can also build Debian and many different rpm packages from one set of source files, where PPAs are strictly Ubuntu-only. It's very powerful, but I still only know how to use a few of its features. I just recently learned how to branch one OBS repo off of another, so that the new one uses packages from the first to build its own.
Re: Question: MX package requests vs. other distros
I can't reach that link. My browsers freeze.
That would explain the rather large difference in attitude.Mint is a commercial organisation, with a CEO, and employees. MX is by enthusiasts, for enthusiasts.
Which as chrispop99 said - they're enthusiasts.
Sure didn't mean to downplay that group.Re Pale Moon: I don't think the openSUSE Build Service guys would like it being thought of as a PPA, when it can also build Debian and many different rpm packages from one set of source files, where PPAs are strictly Ubuntu-only. It's very powerful, but I still only know how to use a few of its features...
Even if as you say you only know a few of its features, you filled a basic need of mine while I was on Mint - Pale Moon.
Thanks again for the posts. I understand a bit better.
This is a unique distro.
Re: Question: MX package requests vs. other distros
for me as a simple user this is a feature (yes feature)chrispop99 wrote:MX is by enthusiasts, for enthusiasts.
MX is pretty collaborative, and quite democratic in how it develops.
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Re: Question: MX package requests vs. other distros
I don't know why - It's fine here on Firefox.
Chris
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Home-built desktop - Core i5 9400, 970 EVO Plus, 8GB
DELL XPS 15
Lots of test machines
Home-built desktop - Core i5 9400, 970 EVO Plus, 8GB
DELL XPS 15
Lots of test machines
Re: Question: MX package requests vs. other distros
I can reach it this morning, thanks. Interesting site.