Rage against the systemd 'machine'

[timkb4cq]

Poettering looked at Apple's launchd and thought "Hey, wouldn't it be better if processes in Linux could be centrally tracked and managed as well as Apple does it?"

Process supervision is a fundamental part of init system functionality and it is offered by both runit and OpenRC, along with most other PID1 implementations.

Yes, runit has basic process management, but not to the extent that systemd has with cgroups where cpu, memory, i/o, etc can be limited & tracked (and yes, I realize OpenRC can integrate with cgroups). Nor does it do all the other things (that IMHO don't really belong in the init) like device management, power management, mount points, cron, encryption, etc. that are rolled into systemd.
It wasn't the if that was the itch Poettering was scratching it was the as well as.

[duane]

I just want to point out that I think Mint is not a good example since it is a business owned by an individual.
Hey, I agree getting old is the pits!
We know very little about the future until Anti gets the beta out.
I can wait and see without all of this speculation.

[rasat]

Here it is running in virtualbox,

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System:    Host: antix1 Kernel: 4.9.176-antix.1-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0 
           Desktop: Gnome 3.30.2 wm: gnome-shell dm: SLiM 1.3.6 
           Distro: antiX-19.a3_x64-full Marielle Franco 5 June 2019 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) 
Memory:    RAM: total: 996.2 MiB used: 544.4 MiB (54.7%) 
Repos:     Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
           1: deb http: //ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/mx/antix/buster buster main nonfree
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http: //ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http: //ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free
           2: deb http: //security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/onion.list 
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Processes: CPU top: 5 
           1: cpu: 39.9% command: packagekitd pid: 2424 mem: 17.4 MiB (1.7%) 
           2: cpu: 19.3% command: gnome-shell pid: 2284 mem: 243.8 MiB (24.4%) 
           3: cpu: 6.1% command: gnome-software pid: 2536 mem: 113.5 MiB (11.3%) 
           4: cpu: 1.4% command: xorg pid: 2027 mem: 58.9 MiB (5.9%) 
           5: cpu: 0.9% command: init pid: 1 mem: 2.09 MiB (0.2%) 
           Memory top: 5 
           1: mem: 243.8 MiB (24.4%) command: gnome-shell pid: 2284 cpu: 19.3% 
           2: mem: 113.5 MiB (11.3%) command: gnome-software pid: 2536 cpu: 6.1% 
           3: mem: 58.9 MiB (5.9%) command: xorg pid: 2027 cpu: 1.4% 
           4: mem: 51.7 MiB (5.1%) command: evolution-alarm-notify pid: 2531 cpu: 0.7% 
           5: mem: 30.7 MiB (3.0%) command: clipit pid: 2533 cpu: 0.3% 
Info:      Processes: 163 Uptime: 1m Init: SysVinit v: 2.93 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Compilers: 
           gcc: 8.3.0 alt: 8 Client: Gnome v: 3.30.2 inxi: 3.0.33 

Thanks anticapitalista, looks promising to have a system which runs all DE and WM, freedom of choice. I will take a look at the repos.

[anticapitalista]

Here it is running in virtualbox,

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System:    Host: antix1 Kernel: 4.9.176-antix.1-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0 
           Desktop: Gnome 3.30.2 wm: gnome-shell dm: SLiM 1.3.6 
           Distro: antiX-19.a3_x64-full Marielle Franco 5 June 2019 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) 
Memory:    RAM: total: 996.2 MiB used: 544.4 MiB (54.7%) 
Repos:     Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
           1: deb http: //ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/mx/antix/buster buster main nonfree
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http: //ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http: //ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free
           2: deb http: //security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/onion.list 
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Processes: CPU top: 5 
           1: cpu: 39.9% command: packagekitd pid: 2424 mem: 17.4 MiB (1.7%) 
           2: cpu: 19.3% command: gnome-shell pid: 2284 mem: 243.8 MiB (24.4%) 
           3: cpu: 6.1% command: gnome-software pid: 2536 mem: 113.5 MiB (11.3%) 
           4: cpu: 1.4% command: xorg pid: 2027 mem: 58.9 MiB (5.9%) 
           5: cpu: 0.9% command: init pid: 1 mem: 2.09 MiB (0.2%) 
           Memory top: 5 
           1: mem: 243.8 MiB (24.4%) command: gnome-shell pid: 2284 cpu: 19.3% 
           2: mem: 113.5 MiB (11.3%) command: gnome-software pid: 2536 cpu: 6.1% 
           3: mem: 58.9 MiB (5.9%) command: xorg pid: 2027 cpu: 1.4% 
           4: mem: 51.7 MiB (5.1%) command: evolution-alarm-notify pid: 2531 cpu: 0.7% 
           5: mem: 30.7 MiB (3.0%) command: clipit pid: 2533 cpu: 0.3% 
Info:      Processes: 163 Uptime: 1m Init: SysVinit v: 2.93 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Compilers: 
           gcc: 8.3.0 alt: 8 Client: Gnome v: 3.30.2 inxi: 3.0.33 

Thanks anticapitalista, looks promising to have a system which runs all DE and WM, freedom of choice. I will take a look at the repos.

I didn't even need the nosystemd repo enabled (buster). You must install elogind and libpam-elogind-compat

[manyroads]

Here's my status update on antiX19 with Xfce & Openbox... (systemd-free)

viewtopic.php?f=40&t=50768

[Head_on_a_Stick]

Poettering looked at Apple's launchd and thought "Hey, wouldn't it be better if processes in Linux could be centrally tracked and managed as well as Apple does it?"

Process supervision is a fundamental part of init system functionality and it is offered by both runit and OpenRC, along with most other PID1 implementations.

Yes, runit has basic process management, but not to the extent that systemd has with cgroups where cpu, memory, i/o, etc can be limited & tracked (and yes, I realize OpenRC can integrate with cgroups). Nor does it do all the other things (that IMHO don't really belong in the init) like device management, power management, mount points, cron, encryption, etc. that are rolled into systemd.

Those extra features that you don't like can be disabled, both at run time and at compile time — you could even package up a version of systemd with all the those bits removed from the code just by using ./configure flags

[manyroads]

double-posted (sorry)

[dolphin_oracle]

debian actually disables a lot of stuff on its live images...

[manyroads]

The eirenicon (ManyRoads) antiXalpha Respin (Xfce & Openbox) is now in the wild. You may read about what it contains, how it was built, download it, etc. from here:

http://eirenicon.org/2019/06/07/antix-o ... n-release/

Enjoy antiX systemd-free and buster based alpha software!

[rasat]

I didn't even need the nosystemd repo enabled (buster). You must install elogind and libpam-elogind-compat

Did fresh AntiX19 alpha install, nosystemd repo is needed. Without, gives unmet dependencies errors:

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gnome-shell : Depends: gnome-settings-daemon (>= 3.16.0) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libpulse-mainloop-glib0 (>= 0.99.1) but it is not going to be installed

Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
deb https://mirrors.netix.net/mx/MX-Packages/antix/buster buster main nosystemd nonfree
deb http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/mx/antix/buster buster main nonfree

Other repos fine as they they are.