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MX 17 Repository: The Liquorix Kernel Thread

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Re: MX 17 Repository: The Liquorix Kernel Thread

#21 Post by asqwerth » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:42 am

Stevo wrote: "Upgrading" those two critical system libraries very probably means your system is now broken and insane, and you will have trouble installing applications in the future. That's why we go to all the trouble of backporting and making sure our builds won't do that. Why didn't you follow that simple recipe in the thread I linked to add my OBS repo?

Good reading: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?&t=114130
The main thing I took away from that thread is that stackexchange contains some really dodgy advice!


@stsoh, I appreciate some people love to tinker, but if so, always have backups handy, keep all your data and media in a separate data drive/partition, or do your experiments in a virtual machine install or a partition that you don't mind messing up. I suppose that since MX17 has not gone Final yet, you are just trying stuff because you can. If so, that's fine.

But if you intend to keep this partition long term, you will run into issues and it will be hard to support on this forum. You've changed some basic building blocks that other packages may depend on, and further updates of your system may lead to all sort of problems.

There is always the questionable lure of the latest and shiniest kernel, but it's not always true that the newest = the best.

You have an older pc, like you said in viewtopic.php?p=429087#p429087 . Your signature indicates it's an Intel Dual core E5400, which Google search says is an old Pentium. Will you really benefit from the latest kernel?
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Re: MX 17 Repository: The Liquorix Kernel Thread

#22 Post by stsoh » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:40 am

asqwerth wrote:.......
@stsoh, I appreciate some people love to tinker, but if so, always have backups handy, keep all your data and media in a separate data drive/partition, or do your experiments in a virtual machine install or a partition that you don't mind messing up. I suppose that since MX17 has not gone Final yet, you are just trying stuff because you can. If so, that's fine.

But if you intend to keep this partition long term, you will run into issues and it will be hard to support on this forum. You've changed some basic building blocks that other packages may depend on, and further updates of your system may lead to all sort of problems.

There is always the questionable lure of the latest and shiniest kernel, but it's not always true that the newest = the best.

You have an older pc, like you said in viewtopic.php?p=429087#p429087 . Your signature indicates it's an Intel Dual core E5400, which Google search says is an old Pentium. Will you really benefit from the latest kernel?
it does benefit my old pc, run smoother and faster, tat's the way liquorix design to be. try it. anyway i use minimal space for mxlinux (16gb of my 120gb ssd), freshly install with every beta/new release. fiber broadband take only a few minutes to download, upgrading with deb files takes about a couple of minutes instead of two hours for make install from kernel tar files. liquorix update within a day from kernel releases update.

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$ inxi -F
System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.14.0-5.1-liquorix-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
           Distro: MX-17.RC1_x64 Horizon December 10, 2017
Machine:   Device: desktop Mobo: MSI model: G41M-P33 Combo(MS-7592) v: 7.0 serial: N/A
           BIOS: American Megatrends v: V32.13 date: 11/06/2014
CPU:       Dual core Pentium E5400 (-MCP-) cache: 2048 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3145 MHz 1: 3145 MHz 2: 3145 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 4 Series Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel G41 version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:     Card-1 Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Def. Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 GYROCOM C&C driver: USB Audio
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.14.0-5.1-liquorix-amd64
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCIE Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: down
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8169 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth1 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 4120.8GB (73.0% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sdc model: TOSHIBA_DT01ACA2 size: 2000.4GB
           ID-2: /dev/sda model: TOSHIBA_Q300 size: 120.0GB
           ID-3: /dev/sdb model: TOSHIBA_DT01ACA2 size: 2000.4GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 16G used: 5.4G (37%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 0.42GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram0
           ID-3: swap-2 size: 0.42GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram1
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 55.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 159 Uptime: 1:07 Memory: 1177.4/7948.2MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.53 
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Re: MX 17 Repository: The Liquorix Kernel Thread

#23 Post by stsoh » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:47 am

Stevo wrote:......
"Upgrading" those two critical system libraries very probably means your system is now broken and insane, and you will have trouble installing applications in the future. That's why we go to all the trouble of backporting and making sure our builds won't do that. Why didn't you follow that simple recipe in the thread I linked to add my OBS repo?

Good reading: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?&t=114130
i understand, still i like mxlinux very much compared to other linux distributions........only the kernel.
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Re: MX 17 Repository: The Liquorix Kernel Thread

#24 Post by stsoh » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:14 am

kernel update 4.14.6 is up, liquorix will update in a day.
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Re: MX 17 Repository: The Liquorix Kernel Thread

#25 Post by v3g4n » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:23 pm

stsoh wrote: it does benefit my old pc, run smoother and faster
Do you happen to have any benchmarks that show this or just think so? Would be very curious to see them if you do. I've never noticed a difference when using the liquorix kernel. Wish I had though.

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Re: MX 17 Repository: The Liquorix Kernel Thread

#26 Post by timkb4cq » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:36 pm

Because of the way Liquorix tunes the scheduler & VMS, on a system running under heavy load a Liquorix kernel can make the desktop a bit more responsive. But on older hardware a new Liquorix kernel generally won't run any better than an older one.

If you have newer hardware where support is still in development, like Ryzen or a video chipset running the AMDGPU driver, then there are certain kernel updates that can improve performance.
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Re: MX 17 Repository: The Liquorix Kernel Thread

#27 Post by stsoh » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:28 pm

v3g4n wrote:
stsoh wrote: it does benefit my old pc, run smoother and faster
Do you happen to have any benchmarks that show this or just think so? Would be very curious to see them if you do. I've never noticed a difference when using the liquorix kernel. Wish I had though.
run with the benchmark profiler, this is my current result. didn't any b4 kernel upgrade.
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Re: MX 17 Repository: The Liquorix Kernel Thread

#28 Post by asqwerth » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:18 pm

but even with performance benefits, updates may still bork other parts of your system because of your
...upgrade gcc-7 and cpp-7 from buster repo
Does that mean every time it breaks, you will reinstall your system and then install the latest and greatest kernel from a .deb file again, with the necessary importing of gcc and cpp from buster repo?

That's my understanding of your comments:
...anyway i use minimal space for mxlinux (16gb of my 120gb ssd), freshly install with every beta/new release. fiber broadband take only a few minutes to download, upgrading with deb files takes about a couple of minutes instead of two hours for make install from kernel tar files
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#29 Post by v3g4n » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:36 pm

stsoh wrote:run with the benchmark profiler, this is my current result. didn't any b4 kernel upgrade.
Cool, thanks! Unfortunately doesn't help a whole lot without the other for a comparison.

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Re: MX 17 Repository: The Liquorix Kernel Thread

#30 Post by stsoh » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:45 pm

benchmark one from 4.13.0, another from 4.14.5.
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