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New features in MX Package Installer (Now with flatpaks)

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Post by dolphin_oracle » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:34 pm

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Post by Jerry3904 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:32 pm

Hey, nice treatment of a topic that is not the easiest for many users to fathom, I imagine. Thanks.
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Re: New features in MX Package Installer (Now with flatpaks)

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Post by Redacted » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:09 pm

Thanks for mentioning the 2 possible negatives for some folks (size and theming).
Thanks again for your videos.
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Post by asqwerth » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:46 pm

Very informative video, Dolphin!

Regarding theming, gtk flatpak apps can follow the system theme in use in MX, provided that the theme is one found in your flathub remotes and you have it installed. Themes are under runtimes, not apps, in flatpak.

So the default MX look, greybird and Arc dark, are installable from flathub remote.

As are numix and adapta, which are some of the more popular ones these days. Search for "theme" while in flathub "all available".

So say you apply greybird theme and Arc dark WM theme to the system after installing the flatpak equivalents. Open up a flatpak app. Fully gtk3 apps with client side decoration may only show up with greybird theme, but I think most other apps, possibly even QT ones will show up in greybird plus Arc dark WM theme.

On the other hand, adapta may be available in flatpak, but the "real system" version is not compatible with MX 15/16 so there's no point installing the flatpak version in a MX 15/16 system.
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Post by asqwerth » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:11 pm

On another note, the MXPI has become such an awesome installer!

I love that you can flip back and forth between so many different Repos to search for apps so quickly.

So kudos and thanks to Adrian and all the other devs who worked on the coding!
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Post by dolphin_oracle » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:53 pm

asqwerth wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:46 pm
Very informative video, Dolphin!

Regarding theming, gtk flatpak apps can follow the system theme in use in MX, provided that the theme is one found in your flathub remotes and you have it installed. Themes are under runtimes, not apps, in flatpak.

So the default MX look, greybird and Arc dark, are installable from flathub remote.

As are numix and adapta, which are some of the more popular ones these days. Search for "theme" while in flathub "all available".

So say you apply greybird theme and Arc dark WM theme to the system after installing the flatpak equivalents. Open up a flatpak app. Fully gtk3 apps with client side decoration may only show up with greybird theme, but I think most other apps, possibly even QT ones will show up in greybird plus Arc dark WM theme.

On the other hand, adapta may be available in flatpak, but the "real system" version is not compatible with MX 15/16 so there's no point installing the flatpak version in a MX 15/16 system.
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Post by oops » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:38 am

Hello
that's great, thanks, but why the choose of Flatpak and not Appimage (the more popular) , etc ... ?
(AppImage ,or, Snap , or, Flatpak, or others.)
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https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit ... comparison

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Post by asqwerth » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:53 am

Snap = systemd needed.

Appimage is not 100% compatible outside of the distro base the Appimage was created on. [ADDED: based on what dolphin has said and also from the experience of testing dolphin's appimage for LUM)

See also :

https://kamikazow.wordpress.com/2018/06 ... 8-edition/

https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/p ... tributions
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Post by oops » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:04 am

... Thank you, asqwerth, for these accurate information.
PS: (Appimage is interesting for me, mostly because it can run without installation, and can be used with (or without) different sandboxes)
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Re: New features in MX Package Installer (Now with flatpaks)

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Post by asqwerth » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:20 am

oops wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:04 am
... Thank you, asqwerth, for these accurate information.
PS: (Appimage is interesting for me, mostly because it can run without installation, and can be used with (or without) different sandboxes)
Please note, I have nothing against Appimages and have the Libreoffice 6 and krita Appimages on my 2 MX15/16 installs.

Where available for a particular application, Appimages are very useful. But it's not really something for which you need a manager, IMO, since it's not as if you can update an appimage or even search for it from a central repository. Say you are using version 6.0+ Libreoffice in Appimage form. Then version 6.1+ is released. You'll need to download and make executable a whole new file, ie the 6.1 Appimage. If it doesn't come with a .desktop file, you'll have to make a new one for the new Appimage or edit your old 6.0 desktop file to point to the new Appimage file.

They are one-off stand-alone bundles, that's all.

Flatpaks are bundles as well, but they can share the same runtime within their own sandbox, and they can be updated. So let's say I'm using the latest Lollypop music player that runs on gnome 3.28 runtime. You install both the app and the runtime as flatpaks. Soon after, you decide you would also like to use the very latest Gnome Epiphany browser, which is also running on gnome 3.28. You only need to install the Epiphany app runtime since you already have the 3.28 runtime flatpak installed.
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