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copyrights on mxlinux ?

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copyrights on mxlinux ?

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Post by jurgen69 » Mon May 14, 2018 6:02 am

copyrights on mxlinux ?

there are none is open source

what if i make on distrowatch my own mxlinux distro's for example and my own repo on whatever or ectt.. (they are easy to pick them all up)
this distros are not making by the official mxlinux world they have making by me.. for example...
do you need the repos of mxlinux ahhhhh no you do not so everybody can take it over anytime if you want that..
not a big deal at all

example i have seen it all from phpnuke to whtever example phpnuke-dutch.org have more than i think 15 or 20 years back development its own thing ( that you have with open source every body can make a claim everyday can can make money of it two if they want it easy...

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Re: copyrights on mxlinux ?

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Post by asqwerth » Mon May 14, 2018 6:11 am

I believe there are some translation difficulties as you are not a native speaker/reader of English and I'm half-guessing at the full meaning of your post as well as your other posts in the Community Submissions sub-board.

It might be better in this instance for you to post this in Dutch, so that those more proficient in both Dutch and English can fully understand it and translate it for the rest of us.
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Re: copyrights on mxlinux ?

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Post by Richard » Mon May 14, 2018 6:21 am

Free Libre Open Source Software
https://whatis.techtarget.com/definitio ... ware-FLOSS

Free and open source software (FOSS), also known as free/libre open source software (FLOSS) and free/open source software (F/OSS), is software developed by informal collaborative networks of programmers. The source code is licensed free of charge, encouraging modifications and improvements.


The term free software refers to a lack of restrictions on individual users as well as zero cost; the term open source software refers to collaborative or networked development. FOSS, which embraces the benefits and adherents of both paradigms, is gaining widespread acceptance as traditional modes of software design are challenged.

The increasing popularity of FOSS has led to frustration in some circles for at least three reasons:

* Conventional software developers, distributors and sellers fear that FOSS will undercut their profits.
* Abuse of FOSS privileges may lead to questionable claims of copyright or trademark protection, thereby spawning litigation.
* The monetary value of FOSS is unclear, so governments have trouble figuring out how to tax it.
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Re: copyrights on mxlinux ?

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Post by Jerry3904 » Mon May 14, 2018 6:34 am

jurgen69 wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 6:02 am
copyrights on mxlinux ?

there are none is open source

what if i make on distrowatch my own mxlinux distro's for example and my own repo on whatever or ectt.. (they are easy to pick them all up)
this distros are not making by the official mxlinux world they have making by me.. for example...
do you need the repos of mxlinux ahhhhh no you do not so everybody can take it over anytime if you want that..
not a big deal at all
There is a copyright and license on the name, however, and you are not free to use that. From our website > About us:
License

The name "MX Linux" is covered by LInux Foundation Sublicense No. 20140605-0483
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Post by clicktician » Mon May 14, 2018 8:29 am

jurgen69 wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 6:02 am
copyrights on mxlinux ?

there are none is open source
Jurgen, hi. There might be an English translation problem here, but this statement is not true.

Everything in MX and Debian is copyrighted by the creator either passively by national law (such as in the US and many other countries), or actively by legal assertion. Additionally, some things are trademarked. It's all, most definitely, someone's creative property and they own it.
For a sample of some of these copyrights, just go to /usr/share/doc/* and read some of the 1900 copyrights used in MX.

What lets you respin MX and redistribute apps is how these ownership rights are licensed. The licenses explain what the owner allows you to do with their property. Licenses vary widely and are often complicated -- way too complicated to explore here. Besides, I'm no expert.
It's not just about MX, itself. You must also be aware of the redistribution licenses for any software you have added to your MX respin. For example, I have installed several software programs, drivers, fonts, codecs, icon sets, artwork, etc... as an end user, that I am not licensed to redistribute even if they were provided at no charge. I can't take a snapshot of my MX notebook, and post it to Sourceforge because I would violate end user licenses with Oracle, VMware, Photomatix, Adobe, Avermedia, Microsoft, ITC, Nvidia, et. al.
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Re: copyrights on mxlinux ?

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Post by JayM » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:38 am

clicktician wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:29 am
jurgen69 wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 6:02 am
copyrights on mxlinux ?

there are none is open source
Jurgen, hi. There might be an English translation problem here, but this statement is not true.

Everything in MX and Debian is copyrighted by the creator either passively by national law (such as in the US and many other countries), or actively by legal assertion. Additionally, some things are trademarked. It's all, most definitely, someone's creative property and they own it.
For a sample of some of these copyrights, just go to /usr/share/doc/* and read some of the 1900 copyrights used in MX.

What lets you respin MX and redistribute apps is how these ownership rights are licensed. The licenses explain what the owner allows you to do with their property. Licenses vary widely and are often complicated -- way too complicated to explore here. Besides, I'm no expert.
It's not just about MX, itself. You must also be aware of the redistribution licenses for any software you have added to your MX respin. For example, I have installed several software programs, drivers, fonts, codecs, icon sets, artwork, etc... as an end user, that I am not licensed to redistribute even if they were provided at no charge. I can't take a snapshot of my MX notebook, and post it to Sourceforge because I would violate end user licenses with Oracle, VMware, Photomatix, Adobe, Avermedia, Microsoft, ITC, Nvidia, et. al.
Which is exactly the sort of legal mumbo-jumbo that the free/open source movement was originally supposed to be trying to get away from. I should be able to take MX Linux or any other distro, or any application or other package, improve upon it, alter it, and release it however I like free of restrictive licensing or other legal liabilities as long as I make all source code available for free, and be able to do all this without having to hire a team of lawyers first. No single respinner has the time or expertise to analyze 12,00-plus separate licensing documents (the content of /usr/share/docs) to determine his or her legal rights, responsibilities and liabilities.
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Re: copyrights on mxlinux ?

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Post by anticapitalista » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:47 am

I think this is a useful summary and I think is mainly accurate. (I'm also not a lawyer)

You cannot include proprietary software and release it since it violates the GPL and the 'rights' of the owner of the proprietary software, unless you have their permission to do so. eg firmware included in Debian non-free repo.
You cannot use the name MX Linux or Linux Mint et al without their permission since those names are copyright.
You cannot use icons, background images that are not covered by the GPL without the owners permission since they are copyright.
You can include any non-proprietary software as long as it complies with the GPL.
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Re: copyrights on mxlinux ?

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Post by richb » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:48 am

I am not in any way expert in these legalities. But Linux itself is licensed, with all the legal terminology. MX is covered under the LInux Foundation Sublicense No. 20140605-0483, as stated in an an earlier post.

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Post by asqwerth » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:53 am

JayM wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:38 am

Which is exactly the sort of legal mumbo-jumbo that the free/open source movement was originally supposed to be trying to get away from. I should be able to take MX Linux or any other distro, or any application or other package, improve upon it, alter it, and release it however I like free of restrictive licensing or other legal liabilities as long as I make all source code available for free, and be able to do all this without having to hire a team of lawyers first. No single respinner has the time or expertise to analyze 12,00-plus separate licensing documents (the content of /usr/share/docs) to determine his or her legal rights, responsibilities and liabilities.
Uh-uh. You forget that if something described as open-source is completely public domain, ie, no one has any rights over it, it also means that the creation could be preempted by proprietary/commercial concerns, modded, and then the modded version could be copyrighted under the commercial party's restrictive terms without any requirement for the source code (of the mods) to be made open/available. It becomes closed source.

So it's the open source Licence Terms (yes, legal mumbo jumbo) that stops commercial entities from taking advantage and abusing open source creations.

By actually placing a creation under a proper open source licence, it actually protects users because it sets the rules under which the creation can be used, modded, distributed, even sold.

Often artistic creations like icons and themes are licenced under Creative Commons licences, rather than GPL, that allow the creation to be openly shared, modded and distributed so long as the mods are also licenced under the same CC terms, and the original creator is given attribution/credit for the original creation. That's OK in my book.
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Re: copyrights on mxlinux ?

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Post by manyroads » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:06 am

It is worth noting there is (in the US) a doctrine of "Fair Use" that adds to this legal clarity. :eek: I use it all the time in my genealogy work and publications. Here from the center of human knowledge is a definition:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Fair_use
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