If you have not read this you may find it interesting...
https://itsfoss.com/desktop-linux-torvalds/
Fragmentation is Why Linux Hasn’t Succeeded on Desktop: Linus Torvalds
Fragmentation is Why Linux Hasn’t Succeeded on Desktop: Linus Torvalds
Pax vobiscum,
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"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken
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Re: Fragmentation is Why Linux Hasn’t Succeeded on Desktop: Linus Torvalds
Partly the truth ... I did also create my own iconset, use my own windows manager and my own created conky, but this shouldn't be a reason to create due to these a new Linux Distribution ! Some Linux Distros shouldn't simply be there, now it is an overwhelming ;-)
Re: Fragmentation is Why Linux Hasn’t Succeeded on Desktop: Linus Torvalds
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link to an ongoing discussion (several hundred posts at reddit): https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments ... top_linux/
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link to an ongoing discussion (several hundred posts at reddit): https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments ... top_linux/
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Re: Fragmentation is Why Linux Hasn’t Succeeded on Desktop: Linus Torvalds
But to take the other extreme, one could argue that Microsoft's continuing desire to be a panacea is the root cause of the cyber mess we are in today.
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Re: Fragmentation is Why Linux Hasn’t Succeeded on Desktop: Linus Torvalds
I've used Linux since SuSE Linux 4.2 (late 1990s) - I'm using Linux now on 3 Laptops and 2 Desktop... I, and some of my family, use it every day - How is that failure?
Chris
MX 18 MX 19 - Manjaro
MX 18 MX 19 - Manjaro
Re: Fragmentation is Why Linux Hasn’t Succeeded on Desktop: Linus Torvalds
Fragmentation is partly the reason for the lack of success (in the desktop world).
@ChrisUK: I have 3 machines, all with 2 antiX's and one MX. I've been a linux user for over a dozen years, but still, in the desktop world, linux is in the very low single digits percentage, so, yes it "failed" to be adopted, to be known my the average computer user.
When someone that doesn't have computer skills has computer problems on Windows, it's easy to give advice how to solve (simple) problems. In linux, there are so many DE's, boot managers, file managers, app installers and so on that a normal, not techie user is left stumped and unable to fix even the simplest problem (I've been there, I still get stumped sometimes, even in MX).
Example:
1- The computer does not boot? Me (to a windows user, over the phone): you have to start in safe mode, I'll tell you how...
2- The computer does not boot? Me (to a newbie hipotetical linux user)- it's a probably a grub problem. You'll have to fix it with a live-usb. The newbie: What's Grub? What's a live-usb?
P.
@ChrisUK: I have 3 machines, all with 2 antiX's and one MX. I've been a linux user for over a dozen years, but still, in the desktop world, linux is in the very low single digits percentage, so, yes it "failed" to be adopted, to be known my the average computer user.
When someone that doesn't have computer skills has computer problems on Windows, it's easy to give advice how to solve (simple) problems. In linux, there are so many DE's, boot managers, file managers, app installers and so on that a normal, not techie user is left stumped and unable to fix even the simplest problem (I've been there, I still get stumped sometimes, even in MX).
Example:
1- The computer does not boot? Me (to a windows user, over the phone): you have to start in safe mode, I'll tell you how...
2- The computer does not boot? Me (to a newbie hipotetical linux user)- it's a probably a grub problem. You'll have to fix it with a live-usb. The newbie: What's Grub? What's a live-usb?
P.
Re: Fragmentation is Why Linux Hasn’t Succeeded on Desktop: Linus Torvalds
Like skidoo pointed out it's just a clickbait title, that's not what Linus said.
Re: Fragmentation is Why Linux Hasn’t Succeeded on Desktop: Linus Torvalds
Well we don't need click bait... it's okay to kill this thread. I did not notice any clickieness because I didn't follow any internal links. I just scanned the ITSFOSS article.
Pax vobiscum,
Mark Rabideau - ManyRoads Genealogy -or- eirenicon llc. (geeky stuff)
i3wm, bspwm, hlwm, dwm, spectrwm ~ Linux #449130
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken
Mark Rabideau - ManyRoads Genealogy -or- eirenicon llc. (geeky stuff)
i3wm, bspwm, hlwm, dwm, spectrwm ~ Linux #449130
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken
Re: Fragmentation is Why Linux Hasn’t Succeeded on Desktop: Linus Torvalds
It's not. Back in the 50's Nikon Cameras were in a similar position to what the Linux desktop has now. Nikon knew they had a superior product but they had a small market share compared to Asahi Pentax (which invented the SLR).In a stroke of genius Nikon gave each of the top newspapers in the USA a complete set of their 35 mm product line and in short order captured the major market share amongst professional photographers. IBM could do the a similar thing with Redhat. They could outfit a bunch of cash starved schools with linux but using their existing hardware. The schools would get a state of the art operating system for little cash outlay and the students would want Linux at home --> instant market share.
HP 15; ryzen 3 5300U APU; 500 Gb SSD; 8GB ram
Aspire V5-571; CPU Intel I3; 500 GB SSD; Intel 2nd Gen Graphics; 8 GB Ram
Aspire XC-866; i3-9100; UHD 630; 8 GB ram; 1TB HDD
In Linux, newer isn't always better. The best solution is the one that works.
Aspire V5-571; CPU Intel I3; 500 GB SSD; Intel 2nd Gen Graphics; 8 GB Ram
Aspire XC-866; i3-9100; UHD 630; 8 GB ram; 1TB HDD
In Linux, newer isn't always better. The best solution is the one that works.
Re: Fragmentation is Why Linux Hasn’t Succeeded on Desktop: Linus Torvalds
No worries, it can lead to good discussions (or maybe not) I merely wanted to point out that Linus Torvalds didn't actually said that.