dreamer wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:33 pm
My problem with systemd started with malfunctioning systems. The shut down time-out was described as a "feature" by the systemd expert, but in my case it was an unwanted feature. The network connection in Ubuntu became very unreliable after systemd, but it would be unfair to blame systemd for everything without proof.
HessenZone has mentioned Debian as a distro which doesn't require user invention to have reasonably working systemd. Are there any other distros like that? What I really want to know is if someone has had a good systemd experience out of the box? (booting to fully working desktops, no time-outs, no unwanted restarts etc.)
I don't think it's as simple as just pointing to any particular distro. We've been using Linux full time for everything, professionally too, for the past 10 years. Of that time, we've been using distros such as Debian, Mint, and others, but always with the XFCE desktop since we like that one the best. During the past 4 years or so we've used primarily Linux Mint on our machines. We're not gamers either. So between the type of desktop and the lack of gaming, perhaps that has a lot to do with the long-term performance of any distro with systemd as well? I can't speak for other people, but ever since Mint 16 I can honestly say that we've experienced hardly any negative issues that couldn't be tracked back directly to our own behavior on a computer.
Two browsers with dozens of tabs open, heavy duty Office applications including databases, Web authoring with Komodo, Server usage, Watching hundreds of videos and playing thousands upon thousands of songs, with never a problem that could be blamed on the system. As a matter of fact, I had mentioned this elsewhere, our Livingroom machine has a bad reset function which forces us to do a hard reset on it every day, been doing that for months, and that Mint 18.3 setup runs just as well as on the first day. All of our machines are hard-wired and home-networked together too, with never a problem.
As stated before, I don't know anything about systemd and have to judge the perfomance of my OS based on my experiences with it. On very very rare occasions we've seen some minor bugginess with Mint over the years, but nothing serious that couldn't be easily & quickly corrected. That's why I call it trouble-free, since nothing is actually perfect. But with MX Linux 17 we've indeed experienced enough issues that my wife isn't ready to make that switch yet. We've experienced WiFi connectivity issues which inexplicably fixed themselves during the course of 3 to 5 days while working on machines that belong to other people. We've experienced printer issues that couldn't be corrected - but in all fairness that seems to be a linux wide problem. And most recently I've experiened a mount problem with MX 17 that I simply cannnot fix, an internal drive with an NTFS partition that simply can not be made to auto-mount. But that's another issue for aother day in another part of this forum.
I have believed for quite some years now, that 99.9% of all computer issues, regardless if on Windows or on Linux machines, have to do with either gaming, excessive use beyond that which other hardware was designed to handle, or software incompatibility which was created by the installer i.e. the user of a particular machine. So far, I can't find any reason to use or not to use systemd, since I don't personally see any more stability with MX Linux than I've seen with Mint or with Debian. I'm not a certified SysAdmin though and I'm not a code guru either. I'm thrilled with MX Linux because of the speed, compatibility with 10 year old computers, the snapshot feature, and some other things. I plan on being an MX Linux user as long as it exists.
Wow, some pretty cool discussing going on here.