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Five minute boot? WTF !

#1 Post by colin_b » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:13 pm

I've just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QI4XysGFys where MX is being installed onto an old laptop.

It's to be expected that boot times won't set any speed records, but it is excruciatingly slow. At ~17:30 an error during boot is displayed and mentioned. Any ideas as to whether the problem lies with the laptop, or is it MX?

Edit: As a footnote, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg5_qtiJVU8 shows how the MX snapshot used on the above laptop was created. Some files were manually altered. Could this cause problems?
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Re: Five minute boot? WTF !

#2 Post by Richard » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:32 pm

It's an old laptop.
Since he gives no specs that I heard or saw, could be many things.

Probably has USB 1 sockets which are very slow.
Harddisk is old.
Memory is old.
MoBo and CPU are old.
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Re: Five minute boot? WTF !

#3 Post by fehlix » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:00 am

Well, it appears to me the laptop presented within that video struggled with an old rarely seen and probably still not yet fixed drm_kms_helper-flip_done -timed-out error of the kernel.
The reason is that some kms-kernel routines, struggle with identifying those old SVIDEO ports available in older laptop,
and do make boot and shutdown fairly slow. I have seen it in a couple of Acer's, which I fixed for my family members, as shown below..

If anybody does see such slow boots and / or error messages with an old laptop having an SVIDEO port you need to instruct
the kernel to ignore the SVIDEO.
This can be done by adding as kernel boot option a video kernel parameter like this:

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video=SVIDEO-1:d
You would add this an the MX17-boot screen in the box where you see
"quiet"
so it becomes
"quiet video=SVIDEO-1:d"
or if booting from Grub-menu,
by adding "video=SVIDEO-1:d" at the end of the line starting with linux.

For a permanent fix within an installed MX Linux add the "video=SVIDEO-1:d" to the parameter
within /etc/default/grub
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="video=SVIDEO-1:d"
and recreate the grub boot menu.
Do the above either with an editor as root or use grub-customizer.
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EDIT: To check the display port name and whether you have SVIDEO port, just run "xrandr | grep SVIDEO" from the command line.
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Re: Five minute boot? WTF !

#4 Post by colin_b » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:45 am

A fine explanation Fehlix!

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Re: Five minute boot? WTF !

#5 Post by Richard » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:30 am

Indeed!
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Re: Five minute boot? WTF !

#6 Post by chrispop99 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:37 am

I've found some older laptops boot very slowly with current kernels regardless of distro.

Swapping to the Debian 4.9 kernel from our PI transformed boot/shutdown times.

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