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Re: Distrowatch reveiw grumbles

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:52 am
by Zeh
Stevo wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:02 pm
Thus, from these small flames sprang the great conflagration now known as the great Distrowatch rating wars of 2019.

Many were the fanbois that lost their innocence in that conflict, many were the distros that were unfairly trashed and died before their time, and the Linux world ended up even more divided than before.*

*Though historians can't understand how the last was even possible. WTF.
I don't believe the Distrowatch guys like the kind of use the funbois are giving to Distrowatch's review functionality.
On the other hand it surprises me that they publish reviews about X distro mentioning Y and Z distros, even if I can easily understand that probably it'd take them too much time sorting out the unreasonable and the 'fond of other distros' reviews. In any case, if they were addressed with the matter they might try to figure out how to improve control over the reviews a little bit further... (?)

Re: Distrowatch reveiw grumbles

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:00 pm
by Stevo
Another rating knocks off a couple points because they don't bother to read the manual or ask how to to fix some small things they don't like that would take literally a few mouse clicks to change or a simple install:
Version: 18
Rating: 8
Date: 2019-01-12
Votes: 0


Just testing MX Linux 18 and I'm surprised how well it works. Normally, I'm give up a distro inside a few hours, because it doesn't work for me. MX Linux is the only one that I could imagine to work with, if I had to choose another distro. It would deserve a 10, but there are some downsides.
I don't like the Whisker Menu. It reminds me on Windows 7 and honestly, I didn't switch to Linux to get the old fashioned Windows 7 look back.
I don't like the file browser. The Mate Caja browser is much better.
Also, I can't find the setting to change the one-click mouse behaviour. It's annoying when I click on a folder and it opens immediately. I'm not great in looking for hours in the internet to solve a puzzle.
I had some issues with Seamonkey (my favourite browser), didn't keep the installed theme and had display issue after minimizing the window.
Everything else is nice and working.

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sudo apt install caja
, buddy?
Normally, I'm give up a distro inside a few hours
Can't imagine why you have troubles! /s

Re: Distrowatch reveiw grumbles

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:06 pm
by Stevo
And going down the list, here's an obvious M-----o fanboi giving a 6 for no good reason:
Version: 18
Rating: 6
Date: 2019-01-11
Votes: 0


ENGLISH:

Mx Linux is perfect for normal computer use:

-Surfer on the web, read mails, use Libreoffice, watch videos online ...
-You will have access to the most recent updates of the usual software (Firefox, Libreoffice, etc ...) and the Kernel.
-By cons for gaming, the proprietary graphics drivers are not at all up to date, and the free driver is not good for gaming: for me it's eliminatory, I return to Manjaro which has its updated graphics driver ...

FRANCAIS:

Mx Linux est parfait pour l' usage normal d 'un ordinateur:

-Surfer sur le web, lire des mails, utiliser Libreoffice, regarder des vidéos en ligne...
-Vous aurez accès aux mises à jours les plus récentes des logiciels habituels (Firefox, Libreoffice, etc...) et du Kernel.
-Par contre pour le gaming, les drivers graphiques propriétaires ne sont pas du tout à jour, et le driver libre n' est pas bon pour le gaming : pour moi c' est éliminatoire, je retourne sur Manjaro qui a son driver graphique à jour...

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Re: Distrowatch reveiw grumbles

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:10 pm
by Stevo
This one is catching on to the gaming of the reviews:
Version: 18
Rating: 10
Date: 2019-01-08
Votes: 16


It responds with alacrity on older hardware (it's as fast as Puppy, but with more stuff included). Also it is very well thought out. As an MX user, I would guess that some of these lower-rated reviews are left by the competition...

Re: Distrowatch reveiw grumbles

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:16 am
by asqwerth
Stevo wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:00 pm
Another rating knocks off a couple points because they don't bother to read the manual or ask how to to fix some small things they don't like that would take literally a few mouse clicks to change or a simple install:
Version: 18
Rating: 8
Date: 2019-01-12
Votes: 0


[snip] ...I don't like the file browser. The Mate Caja browser is much better.
Also, I can't find the setting to change the one-click mouse behaviour. It's annoying when I click on a folder and it opens immediately. I'm not great in looking for hours in the internet to solve a puzzle...

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sudo apt install caja
, buddy?
Normally, I'm give up a distro inside a few hours
Can't imagine why you have troubles! /s
To be honest, I still don't know why we don't make double-click the default setup. IMO, most people nowadays are not so used to single-click except for KDE users :p

But the reviewer's claim that it's difficult to find the setting in Thunar to change the one-click behaviour is also a little suspicious. Don't most Linux file managers have their settings in Menu Bar >> Edit >> Preferences, like Thunar?

Caja's settings: https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux ... roperties/
...Caja's preferences. It is typically accessible through the "Edit" menu in Caja browser windows,... You can specify appearance preferences for the Default View; and defaults for Icon, Compact, List, and Tree View; and select sort options and display options. You can configure Caja to recognize Single or Double Click input; ...

Does one really need to search for hours on the internet to find the answer? (yes I know it's in MX Tweak, but just a quick exploration of Thunar's settings by this apparent MATE fan would have solved it.)

Re: Distrowatch reveiw grumbles

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:41 am
by Sparky
asqwerth wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:16 am
Stevo wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:00 pm


To be honest, I still don't know why we don't make double-click the default setup. IMO, most people nowadays are not so used to single-click except for KDE users :p

But the reviewer's claim that it's difficult to find the setting in Thunar to change the one-click behaviour is also a little suspicious. Don't most Linux file managers have their settings in Menu Bar >> Edit >> Preferences, like Thunar?

Caja's settings: https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux ... roperties/
...Caja's preferences. It is typically accessible through the "Edit" menu in Caja browser windows,... You can specify appearance preferences for the Default View; and defaults for Icon, Compact, List, and Tree View; and select sort options and display options. You can configure Caja to recognize Single or Double Click input; ...

Does one really need to search for hours on the internet to find the answer? (yes I know it's in MX Tweak, but just a quick exploration of Thunar's settings by this apparent MATE fan would have solved it.)
I find the single click method much easier. I don't know of any distros that have double click as a default setting.
Double click always confused me, but I guess for Windows users coming to Linux it makes sense.

Re: Distrowatch reveiw grumbles

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:32 am
by kc1di
I find the single click method much easier. I don't know of any distros that have double click as a default setting.
Double click always confused me, but I guess for Windows users coming to Linux it makes sense.
Double click is the default on quite a few Distros, Most ubuntu, Mint are defaulted to it. I'm with you I always go in and change it to single click and no it does not take hours to find it. it is relatively simple. If that is the only thing wrong then they are fighting windmills.

Re: Distrowatch reveiw grumbles

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:20 am
by JayM
kc1di wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:32 am
I find the single click method much easier. I don't know of any distros that have double click as a default setting.
Double click always confused me, but I guess for Windows users coming to Linux it makes sense.
Double click is the default on quite a few Distros, Most ubuntu, Mint are defaulted to it. I'm with you I always go in and change it to single click and no it does not take hours to find it. it is relatively simple. If that is the only thing wrong then they are fighting windmills.
How do you select multiple files or directories when you want to copy, cut or delete them if it always opens the first one you click on? I prefer to tell my computer what I want it to do, not have it elbow me aside and try to make decisions for me. ("Oi, you left-clicked on that! You must want to open it, eh? Here, let me do it for you.") I find that very annoying and Windows-like, but it's extremely simple to fix in Thunar (Edit/Preferences/Behavior.) Whoever wrote the review must not have spent more than 5 minutes using MX if s/he couldn't figure it out. Probably had a deadline to meet in a few minutes.

(ISTR that Mint's file manager also defaulted to single-click, at least in Cinnamon (which used Caja.) I've no idea about Ubuntu's.)

Re: Distrowatch reveiw grumbles

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:31 am
by Eadwine Rose
I click on the field next to the name, so on type or size, then drag down to select the others.

Re: Distrowatch reveiw grumbles

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:34 am
by kc1di
Hi JayM,
I have no problems with single click and copying and pasting multiple files. just mouse over the first file in the list then hit shift key and click on the last file you want to copy right click and choose copy or cut and copy them to any place you want.

Never been a problem here. I'm not sure about Cinnamon haven't used it in a while but in mate and xfce Mint they default to double click.
guess you just have to get use to single click if you don't like it or can't adjust just change it back to double click. It really should not be an issue. One thing about linux is you almost always have choices.