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Re: Kernel updates

#11 Post by Richard »

Perhaps this is a better option: https://fossbytes.com/linux-4-14-next-lts-kernel/
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Re: Kernel updates

#12 Post by Buck Fankers »

Laurentius wrote: Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:11 pm I'll try then 4.14.
I'm lazy. I like things to work for a while. Longer better.
For this kind of mind set, :-) sticking with LTS (Long Term Support) is best approach.
Current LTS is 4.14, previous (have it as fall back) is 4.9
This is how I have it set on this (Manjaro) computer.
I need to check which kernel is installed on my MX computer, thanks for reminder. (I will make sure it is set up the same way - too keep it simple and stable - the lazy way ;-) )

p.s.
4.13 seems not to be supported any more?
I don't see it as option in kernel manager on Manjaro computer.


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#13 Post by KBD »

I thought 4.16 was the lts kernel for Debian since it is the highest kernel in Debian backports, and also is the one that comes by default on Debian Buster the next stable release.

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#15 Post by Richard »

Here's the status of the LTS kernels:
Which are existing Linux LTS releases?
Version Maintainer Released Projected EOL
4.9 Greg Kroah-Hartman 2016-12-11 Jan, 2019
4.4 Greg Kroah-Hartman 2016-01-10 Feb, 2018
4.1 Sasha Levin 2015-06-21 Sep, 2017
3.16 Ben Hutchings 2014-08-03 Apr, 2020
3.10 Willy Tarreau 2013-06-30 Oct, 2017
3.4 Li Zefan 2012-05-20 Apr, 2017
3.2 Ben Hutchings 2012-01-04 May, 2018
When will next LTS kernel 4.14 arrive?
These days, Linux kernel developers are busy developing Linux kernel 4.12, whose fifth release candidate was shipped last Sunday.

If we consider the normal development speed of Linux kernel, 4.14’s development could start in September, and we would get our hands on the freshly baked next LTS release in November.
So if 4.9 isn't doing well for you, try another. 4.14 would probably be a good, maybe better place to start.
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#16 Post by KBD »

That's weird 4.14 will be the lts kernel. Buster will go into freeze this coming winter:
https://release.debian.org/buster/freeze_policy.html
It will have the 4.16 kernel, or higher. I can't imagine they will replace the kernel. I guess I assumed Debian Stable used an lts kernel, but perhaps not?

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#17 Post by kmathern »

KBD wrote: Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:06 pm That's weird 4.14 will be the lts kernel. Buster will go into freeze this coming winter:
https://release.debian.org/buster/freeze_policy.html
It will have the 4.16 kernel, or higher. I can't imagine they will replace the kernel. I guess I assumed Debian Stable used an lts kernel, but perhaps not?
I don't know if they (kernel.org) have announced yet what will be their next LTS kernel after 4.14, but I think something like every 4th or 5th release is a LTS kernel, so maybe 4.18 or 4.19 will be the next LTS.

I also don't think they've yet settled on which kernel Buster will release with. Currently there's a 4.17 kernel (4.17.8-1) in the Debian sid repos and a 4.18 version (4.18~rc5-1~exp1) in experimental, so I wouldn't be surprised to eventually see a 4.17 and/or 4.18 kernel in Buster/testing and also stretch-backports.

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kmathern wrote: Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:50 pm
KBD wrote: Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:06 pm That's weird 4.14 will be the lts kernel. Buster will go into freeze this coming winter:
https://release.debian.org/buster/freeze_policy.html
It will have the 4.16 kernel, or higher. I can't imagine they will replace the kernel. I guess I assumed Debian Stable used an lts kernel, but perhaps not?
I don't know if they (kernel.org) have announced yet what will be their next LTS kernel after 4.14, but I think something like every 4th or 5th release is a LTS kernel, so maybe 4.18 or 4.19 will be the next LTS.

I also don't think they've yet settled on which kernel Buster will release with. Currently there's a 4.17 kernel (4.17.8-1) in the Debian sid repos and a 4.18 version (4.18~rc5-1~exp1) in experimental, so I wouldn't be surprised to eventually see a 4.17 and/or 4.18 kernel in Buster/testing and also stretch-backports.
OK, that makes sense. So Stretch, which will be old Stable next year, will probably have yet another kernel in backports as it will still have 3 years lts support.

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#19 Post by kmathern »

What has happened in previous development cycles is a lot of kernels move in and out of the backports repo until the developers settle on the kernel version that the next Debian Stable will release with.

When that happens support for the earlier kernel backports usually goes away (even those that are LTS kernels). As an example, if they decide to release Buster with a 4.18 kernel, the 4.14 kernel in stretch-backports will probably nolonger be supported (it will probably be removed the stretch-backports repo).

There will probably though be a backport of whatever kernel they decide to release Buster with (lets say 4.18 or 4.19) in the stretch-backports repo, it will probably receive pretty good support.

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#20 Post by zorzi »

Interesting topic. I really enjoy MX, but I just wonder if MX team is not to "greedy" with providing so much kernels (4.13, 4.14, 4.15, liquorix...)

MX kernels 4.14 and 4.15 have not still received security updates in their own branchs. I do not want to criticize. I know this is a big work.

But wouldn't it be wise for MX to stick only to Debian (stable & backports) kernels for a better support ?

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