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Re: MX-16 Final feedback

#91 Post by NFT5 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:34 pm

chrispop99 wrote:So you changed a major part of the desktop, then didn't like how it worked? I don't think that can be a valid criticism, surely?
It wasn't the major point of my comment. I went on to say:
NFT5 wrote: It was more a case of coming to grips with the differences in placement of the icons on the pane
chrispop99 wrote:On the assumption that you are referring to the USB Unmounter panel item, what were you trying to use it for? It was developed specifically to allow safe and easy removal of USB and optical devices. (See section 3.2.18 of the manual.)
No, the 'USB Unmounter' is in the Notifications area, not a separate plugin. This one is called 'Mount devices' with the description 'Shows all mountable devices and (un)mounts them on request'. On my system it shows mounted devices only and if a device is clicked on it shows a pop-up window with the message 'Failed to unmount device' and the UUID. The one in the menu works ok.
dolphin_oracle wrote:What was it you needed to set up with a config file?
Desktop icon text and backgrounds. Set up .gtkrc-2.0 in /home with

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style "xfdesktop-icon-view" {
    XfdesktopIconView::label-alpha = 0

    base[NORMAL] = "#8c8c8c"
    base[SELECTED] = "#ffffff"
    base[ACTIVE] = "#000000"

    fg[NORMAL] = "#ffffff"
    fg[SELECTED] = "#ffff00"
    fg[ACTIVE] = "#d9d9d9"
}
widget_class "*XfdesktopIconView*" style "xfdesktop-icon-view"
IIRC this also used to happen in an earlier version of MATE and there was a similar fix.
dolphin_oracle wrote:I think this may be a case where your extensive prior experience may be "in your way" so to speak.
Yes, I think you may be right. I'm unlearning as I go. For example, I resisted turning on the compositor because in other desktops it consumes big chunks of memory. When I did turn it on it seemed to make little difference. +1 for XFCE.
richb wrote:These anomalies are very easy to handle, and minor in my opinion.
Agreed. I'm in a business where attention to detail is everything so OCD comes naturally. Still, if they're fixable then it can only add to the value of MX-16 and make it an even better alternative. A complete newb would not have known to go looking for the icon text background fix or realised that the separators are the key to icon placement in a panel. Could have been a deal breaker that would have seen another potential user drift away, either to another Linux distro or back to Windows.
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Re: MX-16 Final feedback

#92 Post by NFT5 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:55 pm

BitJam wrote:If ftp.au.debian.org is generally slow, can you suggest a replacement we should use instead for locations in Australia and nearby?
I used the Uber mirror in Canberra. Very fast, partially because it is close to me, but had a tendency to go offline whenever there was a major update. The University of NSW mirror I tried a few times - sometimes good, but seemed dependent on time of day and, I guess, student demands on the server. There are quite a few others that I never tried. Bear in mind that ftp.au.debian.org is in Perth, so a very long way from where I am (Canberra) and this may contribute to the speeds that I see.
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Re: MX-16 Final feedback

#93 Post by richb » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:00 pm

Agreed. I'm in a business where attention to detail is everything so OCD comes naturally. Still, if they're fixable then it can only add to the value of MX-16 and make it an even better alternative. A complete newb would not have known to go looking for the icon text background fix or realised that the separators are the key to icon placement in a panel. Could have been a deal breaker that would have seen another potential user drift away, either to another Linux distro or back to Windows.

Your comments are valid and issues I have run into as well. I agree that new users may be flummoxed, by these nagging anomalies.
These are upstream issues with XFCE as is the native Mount Devices app, (not our home brew).The best approach would be to post an improvement request with the XFCE maintainers.
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Re: MX-16 Final feedback

#94 Post by tascoast » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:17 pm

I spent a short while, moving from Mepis KDE to MX xfce, doing things like fiddling with the Panel and adding Dolphin, but once I found Thunar settings I wanted etc., i adapted and the advantages of MX stability and efficiency became clear. I appreciate what I learned using Mepis but would not go back now I've wangled xfce to my own liking.

I made this animation up for MX-14, largely to highlight some desktop changes users can get started with, having new xfce users in mind. download/file.php?id=7553&mode=view. I can relate to comments about the initial stages of adapting to xfce and wondering what to do, when one has become content in a previous desktop environment.
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Re: MX-16 Final feedback

#95 Post by aus9 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:56 pm

NFT5 wrote:
BitJam wrote:If ftp.au.debian.org is generally slow, can you suggest a replacement we should use instead for locations in Australia and nearby?
Bear in mind that ftp.au.debian.org is in Perth, so a very long way from where I am (Canberra) and this may contribute to the speeds that I see.
why not do a test?

Here is one such test.

first get a test tool.....there is more than one but I prefer CLI

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sudo su
apt-get install netselect-apt
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  netselect
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  netselect netselect-apt
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 48.5 kB of archives.
After this operation, 114 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Get:1 ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/ jessie/main netselect amd64 0.3.ds1-26 [31.4 kB]
Get:2 ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/ jessie/main netselect-apt all 0.3.ds1-26 [17.1 kB]
Fetched 48.5 kB in 1s (47.6 kB/s)   
Preconfiguring packages ...
Selecting previously unselected package netselect.
(Reading database ... 148803 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../netselect_0.3.ds1-26_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking netselect (0.3.ds1-26) ...
Selecting previously unselected package netselect-apt.
Preparing to unpack .../netselect-apt_0.3.ds1-26_all.deb ...
Unpacking netselect-apt (0.3.ds1-26) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-5) ...
Setting up netselect (0.3.ds1-26) ...
Setting up netselect-apt (0.3.ds1-26) ...
Now the actual test

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netselect-apt -c australia 
Using distribution stable.
Retrieving the list of mirrors from www.debian.org...

--2016-12-19 09:55:40--  http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
Resolving www.debian.org (www.debian.org)... 149.20.20.22, 2001:610:1908:b000::148:14, 2001:4f8:8:36::1deb:22, ...
Connecting to www.debian.org (www.debian.org)|149.20.20.22|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 300186 (293K) [text/html]
Saving to: ‘/tmp/netselect-apt.4qlcyN’

/tmp/netselect-apt.4qlcyN                 100%[=====================================================================================>] 293.15K   265KB/s   in 1.1s   

2016-12-19 09:55:42 (265 KB/s) - ‘/tmp/netselect-apt.4qlcyN’ saved [300186/300186]

Choosing a main Debian mirror using netselect.
(will filter only for mirrors in country australia)
netselect: 12 (12 active) nameserver request(s)...       
Duplicate address 218.100.43.30 (http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/, http://mirror.waia.asn.au/debian/); keeping only under first name.
netselect: 7 (7 active) nameserver request(s)...         
Duplicate address 101.0.120.90 (http://debian.mirror.digitalpacific.com.au/debian/, http://mirror.crucial.com.au/debian/); keeping only under first name.
Running netselect to choose 10 out of 11 addresses.     
.....................................................................................................
The fastest 10 servers seem to be:

	http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/
	http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/
	http://mirror.as24220.net/pub/debian/
	http://debian.mirror.digitalpacific.com.au/debian/
	http://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/debian/
	http://debian.mirror.serversaustralia.com.au/debian/
	http://mirror.linux.org.au/debian/
	http://debian.uberglobalmirror.com/debian/
	http://mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au/debian/
	http://mirror.overthewire.com.au/debian/

Of the hosts tested we choose the fastest valid for HTTP:
        http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/

Writing sources.list.
sources.list exists, moving to sources.list.1482112545
Done.
more info here if interested
https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-find-a-f ... urces-list
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Re: MX-16 Final feedback

#96 Post by NFT5 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:54 pm

aus9 wrote:why not do a test?
Of course!

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root@BOSSDESK:/home/chris# netselect-apt -c australia
Using distribution stable.
Retrieving the list of mirrors from www.debian.org...

--2016-12-19 13:39:47--  http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
Resolving www.debian.org (www.debian.org)... 150.203.164.62, 2001:388:1034:2900::3e
Connecting to www.debian.org (www.debian.org)|150.203.164.62|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 300186 (293K) [text/html]
Saving to: ‘/tmp/netselect-apt.wzywym’

/tmp/netselect-apt. 100%[=====================>] 293.15K   864KB/s   in 0.3s   

2016-12-19 13:39:47 (864 KB/s) - ‘/tmp/netselect-apt.wzywym’ saved [300186/300186]

Choosing a main Debian mirror using netselect.
(will filter only for mirrors in country australia)
netselect: 12 (12 active) nameserver request(s)...       
Duplicate address 218.100.43.30 (http://mirror.waia.asn.au/debian/, http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/); keeping only under first name.
netselect: 6 (6 active) nameserver request(s)...         
Duplicate address 101.0.120.90 (http://debian.mirror.digitalpacific.com.au/debian/, http://mirror.crucial.com.au/debian/); keeping only under first name.
Running netselect to choose 10 out of 12 addresses.     
..........................................................................
The fastest 10 servers seem to be:

	http://mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au/debian/
	http://mirror.intergrid.com.au/debian/
	http://debian.mirror.digitalpacific.com.au/debian/
	http://mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au/debian/
	http://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/debian/
	http://debian.uberglobalmirror.com/debian/
	http://mirror.as24220.net/pub/debian/
	http://mirror.linux.org.au/debian/
	http://debian.mirror.serversaustralia.com.au/debian/
	http://mirror.overthewire.com.au/debian/

Of the hosts tested we choose the fastest valid for HTTP:
        http://mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au/debian/

Writing sources.list.
Done.
Note that the link posted did this for Australia too and came up with Uber. This time my result was best for the University of NSW, which was the other one I mentioned. Probably best to get a few different people to run this test at different times of the day and from different locations to see which one is consistently fast.

The default mirror seems to have come in dead last for me but aus9 is in Perth so had a much better result.
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Re: MX-16 Final feedback

#97 Post by tascoast » Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:59 pm

netselect test from Hobart:

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netselect-apt -c australia 
Using distribution stable.
Retrieving the list of mirrors from www.debian.org...

--2016-12-19 14:58:40--  http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full
Resolving www.debian.org (www.debian.org)... 150.203.164.62, 2001:388:1034:2900::3e
Connecting to www.debian.org (www.debian.org)|150.203.164.62|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 300186 (293K) [text/html]
Saving to: ‘/tmp/netselect-apt.bZ4qK8’

/tmp/netselect-apt.bZ4qK 100%[====================================>] 293.15K   761KB/s   in 0.4s   

2016-12-19 14:58:41 (761 KB/s) - ‘/tmp/netselect-apt.bZ4qK8’ saved [300186/300186]

Choosing a main Debian mirror using netselect.
(will filter only for mirrors in country australia)
netselect: 7 (7 active) nameserver request(s)...         
Duplicate address 101.0.120.90 (http://mirror.crucial.com.au/debian/, http://debian.mirror.digitalpacific.com.au/debian/); keeping only under first name.
netselect: 2 (2 active) nameserver request(s)...       
Duplicate address 218.100.43.30 (http://mirror.waia.asn.au/debian/, http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/); keeping only under first name.
Running netselect to choose 10 out of 11 addresses.     
..........................................................................................................................
The fastest 10 servers seem to be:

	http://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/debian/
	http://mirror.crucial.com.au/debian/
	http://mirror.as24220.net/pub/debian/
	http://debian.mirror.serversaustralia.com.au/debian/
	http://mirror.linux.org.au/debian/
	http://debian.uberglobalmirror.com/debian/
	http://mirror.intergrid.com.au/debian/
	http://mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au/debian/
	http://mirror.waia.asn.au/debian/
	http://mirror.overthewire.com.au/debian/

Of the hosts tested we choose the fastest valid for HTTP:
        http://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/debian/

Writing sources.list.
Done.
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Re: MX-16 Final feedback

#98 Post by tascoast » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:03 am

[Deleted double post of output] ponders output...

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# Debian packages for stable
deb http://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/debian/ stable main contrib
# Uncomment the deb-src line if you want 'apt-get source'
# to work with most packages.
# deb-src http://ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/linux/debian/ stable main contrib

# Security updates for stable
deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib
Going back 15 years or so, I remember Monash University having a special network link, as in on the main fast line that was current then. The roll out of National Broadband (optic fibre) has changed things a little since but not greatly I expect. Monash would be the closest major capital to me and quite direct in practice.
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Re: MX-16 Final feedback

#99 Post by Gordon Cooper » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:10 am

Mick, Could we link it from here by pigeon post?

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Re: MX-16 Final feedback

#100 Post by Richard » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:08 am

To avoid changing UUID of swap, select Use Existing Swap, when installing.
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