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MX-17 Beta 3 Feedback

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Re: MX-17 Beta 3 Feedback

#281 Postby dolphin_oracle » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:00 pm

Updates soon to come may affect your lightdm-gtk-greeter (the login screen) settings as well as a few other odds and ends...all in getting ready for rc.
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Re: MX-17 Beta 3 Feedback

#282 Postby nathan2423 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:27 pm

Probably this is something unique to me but I thought I would report it.

I am currently running: uname -a
Linux LenovoSL410 4.13.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.13.13-1mx17 (2017-11-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux

On the theory that my older Lenovo SL410 might run better with an older kernel, I tried to downgrade using the package manager to the Debian kernel, or to the antix 4.10 kernel (the other option). Both efforts failed with the key language seeming to be:

"Warning: Unable to find an initial ram disk that I know how to handle.
Will not try to make an initrd."

Code: Select all

After this operation, 259 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://repo.antixlinux.com/stretch stretch/main amd64 linux-headers-4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp amd64 4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp-2 [10.7 MB]
Get:2 http://repo.antixlinux.com/stretch stretch/main amd64 linux-image-4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp amd64 4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp-2 [38.5 MB]
Fetched 49.2 MB in 1min 49s (450 kB/s)                                                             
Selecting previously unselected package linux-headers-4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp.
(Reading database ... 434962 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../linux-headers-4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp_4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp-2_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking linux-headers-4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp (4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp-2) ...
Selecting previously unselected package linux-image-4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp.
Preparing to unpack .../linux-image-4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp_4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp-2_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking linux-image-4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp (4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp-2) ...
Setting up linux-image-4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp (4.10.5-antix.3-amd64-smp-2) ...
Warning: Unable to find an initial ram disk that I know how to handle.
Will not try to make an initrd.


After a reboot I run uname -a and I get:

Linux LenovoSL410 4.13.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.13.13-1mx17 (2017-11-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux


I Know you're getting ready to go final but thought I would report this FWIW - that downgrading kernal using the package manager might have issues.

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Re: MX-17 Beta 3 Feedback

#283 Postby Stevo » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:54 pm

I always get that message when upgrading a kernel, but it goes through anyway. I suspect it's trying something that the rest of the process has not set up yet. Does the upgrade error out, or can you see the additional kernel on the advanced options GRUB menu?

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Re: MX-17 Beta 3 Feedback

#284 Postby vamsi » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:41 am

Remove some of this in the MX and add them to MX package installer Lucky Backup, Gnome PPP, SM Tube and some of the games that are preinstalled i understand there are users who use them but add them to package installer i know the goal of MX linux is to make as simple and fast os as possible i think it will also reduce the size of iso file or think of that in future if not possible now..

Thanks..

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Re: MX-17 Beta 3 Feedback

#285 Postby m_pav » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:40 am

Just because you have broadband doesn't mean the rest of the world does, so removing gnomeppp woiuld be a foolish move. We aim to have a prepacked distro that has enough of the most commonly required features, tools and recreational assists to make it attractive to the widest audience. Your preferences can be integrated into your own personal snapshot ISO once MX 17 goes final, so while we appreciate and welcome your suggestions, you need to recognise we work to a much larger audience and have catered for custom built personal snapshots for those who desire a "personalised" build.

If you haven't already, please acquaint yourself with the various snapshot options. You can run live and save the changes back to the Live-USB in a variety of ways, or you can "remaster" an installed system to a new ISO. It's all in the MX Tools.
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Re: MX-17 Beta 3 Feedback

#286 Postby chrispop99 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:47 am

vamsi wrote:Remove some of this in the MX and add them to MX package installer Lucky Backup, Gnome PPP, SM Tube and some of the games that are preinstalled i understand there are users who use them but add them to package installer i know the goal of MX linux is to make as simple and fast os as possible i think it will also reduce the size of iso file or think of that in future if not possible now..

Thanks..

Since it became impossible to keep MX (and most other distros) within the size limits suitable for burning to a CD, the ISO size is much less important than it once was.

You could ask 100 users for a 'preferred applications' list. and get 100 different answers. The Dev team form a consensus about what to include, and a lot of discussion goes into that, with a lot of testing of any potential changes or additions. The decisions made are based on both the team's preference, and feedback from users. I doubt that your proposed deletions will be considered appropriate. Incidentally, if you read the short mission statement on the MX Linux home page, you will not see any mention of making MX as simple and fast as possible. That is not its primary purpose.

From my perspective, I use luckyBackup every day, to make a copy of my Home folder on the boot disk, to my data disk. The User Manual also advises its use in section 4.8. A casual user might see its inclusion, and be encouraged to investigate making backups. I also use SMTube sometimes as it's a quick and easy way to view a YouTube video without all the clutter of viewing via a browser.

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Re: MX-17 Beta 3 Feedback

#287 Postby vamsi » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:50 am

chrispop99 wrote:
vamsi wrote:Remove some of this in the MX and add them to MX package installer Lucky Backup, Gnome PPP, SM Tube and some of the games that are preinstalled i understand there are users who use them but add them to package installer i know the goal of MX linux is to make as simple and fast os as possible i think it will also reduce the size of iso file or think of that in future if not possible now..

Thanks..

Since it became impossible to keep MX (and most other distros) within the size limits suitable for burning to a CD, the ISO size is much less important than it once was.

You could ask 100 users for a 'preferred applications' list. and get 100 different answers. The Dev team form a consensus about what to include, and a lot of discussion goes into that, with a lot of testing of any potential changes or additions. The decisions made are based on both the team's preference, and feedback from users. I doubt that your proposed deletions will be considered appropriate. Incidentally, if you read the short mission statement on the MX Linux home page, you will not see any mention of making MX as simple and fast as possible. That is not its primary purpose.

From my perspective, I use luckyBackup every day, to make a copy of my Home folder on the boot disk, to my data disk. The User Manual also advises its use in section 4.8. A casual user might see its inclusion, and be encouraged to investigate making backups. I also use SMTube sometimes as it's a quick and easy way to view a YouTube video without all the clutter of viewing via a browser.

Chris


Hmm.. Understood :happy: :happy:

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Re: MX-17 Beta 3 Feedback

#288 Postby asqwerth » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:36 am

@vamsi, I appreciate your enthusiasm in bringing up suggestions and ideas. It is always good to have input from the users, and the Dev Team does consider and discuss certain proposals and feedback. Some ideas may eventually be incorporated into the distro at a later date.

However, since there is now a feature freeze (meaning the focus is now on bug quashing the existing build of MX17 instead of discussing which programs should be added or removed from the build), I think this thread is no longer the place to discuss the default selection of programs on the MX iso.

The place to raise your proposals on what should or should not be a default program in MX can be posted in the "Bugs and Non-Package Requests" Sub-Forum here: viewforum.php?f=97
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Re: MX-17 Beta 3 Feedback

#289 Postby nathan2423 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:33 am

Stevo thank you for your response to my post viewtopic.php?p=428504&sid=ef676968d9d6c4d24b4e27379dcba201#p428504 above

I am an idiot - I simply forgot to go into the advance options and pick the older kernel at startup - both of the older ones that I installed were there as they should be.

Thank you.

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Re: MX-17 Beta 3 Feedback

#290 Postby mmikeinsantarosa » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:07 pm

i just loaded B3 on a 32 bit laptop: 1GHz celeron CPU w/1Gb Ram and everything worked OOTB. Great default desktop too.

Sweet job guys :clap:
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