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Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview

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Re: Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview

#11 Post by dreamer » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:19 pm

Good interview. The developer seems like a nice guy. The problem with GTK 3 is that eventually it may result in MATE = Gnome 3 with MATE panel, XFCE = Gnome 3 with XFCE panel etc. We have seen how Gnome/Red Hat has "unified" the desktop space: Pulseaudio, Plymouth, PolicyKit, GTK 3, DBus, Systemd, libinput, Wayland etc. It becomes harder and harder to maintain an independent Linux DE.

I see GTK 3 as a great danger. The XFCE taskmanager (GTK 3) seems dumbed down. It's not easy to see total RAM usage in MBs. Also GTK 2 desktops have good incremental support for HiDPI for all toolkits (GTK 2/3, QT 4/5). GTK 3 desktops only support 2x scaling and don't support scaling of GTK 2 apps.

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#12 Post by uncle mark » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:29 pm

polaca57 wrote:Ever wonder why Linux distros are adopting systemd?
Answer: money
Motive: control and monopoly, hint: red-hat = next red-mond

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As long as there's the GPL, the Linux Foundation (the keepers of the kernel), and the purists at Debian, I'm not concerned. In fact, Red Hat's commercial success should be celebrated as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Xfce4 developer on Xfce4.14: Dedoimedo interview

#13 Post by dreamer » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:47 pm

uncle mark wrote:
polaca57 wrote:Ever wonder why Linux distros are adopting systemd?
Answer: money
Motive: control and monopoly, hint: red-hat = next red-mond

Redhat

Revenue US$2.4 billion (2016)[3]
Operating income US$288.05 million (2016)[3]
Net income US$199.37 million (2016)[3]
Total assets US$4.155 billion (2016)[3]
Total equity US$1.334 billion (2016)[3]
As long as there's the GPL, the Linux Foundation (the keepers of the kernel), and the purists at Debian, I'm not concerned. In fact, Red Hat's commercial success should be celebrated as far as I'm concerned.
Purists at Debian?
Red Hat is a large US Defense Contractor, closely aligned with the objectives of NSA. Why do you think every distro "had to" adopt Systemd? Red Hat is better than Microsoft because it's FOSS. At least there's that.

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#14 Post by timkb4cq » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:13 pm

If you had followed the debate on whether Debian should adopt systemd you would recall that the argument that carried the day was that systemd was being actively developed and maintained while there was trouble getting anybody to maintain sysvinit, much less improve it.
I'm no fan of systemd, but it wasn't all about money or control. In the FOSS universe people mostly work on what they *want* to work on, and if nobody wants to work on a particular project then other projects will take its place.
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#15 Post by uncle mark » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:45 pm

dreamer wrote:Purists at Debian?
Red Hat is a large US Defense Contractor, closely aligned with the objectives of NSA. Why do you think every distro "had to" adopt Systemd? Red Hat is better than Microsoft because it's FOSS. At least there's that.
I guess I'm going to have to get some more tinfoil.
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#16 Post by polaca57 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:38 pm

timkb4cq wrote:If you had followed the debate on whether Debian should adopt systemd you would recall that the argument that carried the day was that systemd was being actively developed and maintained while there was trouble getting anybody to maintain sysvinit, much less improve it.
I'm no fan of systemd, but it wasn't all about money or control. In the FOSS universe people mostly work on what they *want* to work on, and if nobody wants to work on a particular project then other projects will take its place.
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#17 Post by Stevo » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:00 pm

Tell Red Hat to start sending some of that sweet, sweet dirty money this way, then.

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#18 Post by polaca57 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:09 pm

Stevo wrote:Tell Red Hat to start sending some of that sweet, sweet dirty money this way, then.
The price you will have to pay is adopt systemd and be assimilated. And I am not joking.

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#19 Post by Jerry3904 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:12 pm

Come on, we need to take it easy here.
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#20 Post by asqwerth » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:45 pm

Let's wait to see if xfce 4.14 comes with any systemd dependencies by default. No point getting all worked up right now.
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