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GNOME (solved)

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Re: GNOME (solved)

#11 Post by asqwerth » Tue May 19, 2015 2:15 am

I second the suggestion to try Mate if you like Gnome 2. Gnome Classic is only superficially like Gnome 2 while MATE is a fork of Gnome 2. You will probably feel more familiar and in control with MATE. The settings/preferences are found in the usual places.
KDE and LXDE what they call "plasma" screens, like what is used in Linux Mint,
That's not really accurate. Here's my very vague understanding:

KDE calls their desktop interface/environment Plasma. This includes their widgets. In KDE4 everything was glass-like and glossy. This look is toned down a little in Plasma 5, but there is still lots of translucency (like frosted glass) of windows and surfaces.

So "Plasma" is just the name of the environment.

But if you look at the underlying packages and programs that the different DEs build their environments on:

1. KDE uses QT-based technologies (NB. Gnome 3 uses gtk3)

2. As far as I know, LXDE is mainly gtk2 with built in compatibility for gtk3 apps. However, in the wings there is the eventual successor of LXDE called LXQT that is based on QT. Some QT bits might be familiar to those who use KDE, I guess, but overall the 2 DE are quite different.

3. Mint's 2 main DE are Cinnamon, which is a fork of Gnome 3 (so it's more gtk3), and MATE which is gtk2 with gtk3 support. However, there is also a Mint KDE edition, so you can get your Plasma there. :-)
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Re: GNOME (solved)

#12 Post by lucky9 » Tue May 19, 2015 2:18 pm

Years ago I looked at what was available as a DE. For whatever reason I decided KDE was where I wanted to be. I've never regretted that decision. I'll not revisit that unless KDE goes belly-up.

I do find that XFCE is very usable and that about 50% of my time is spent using it. Only because of MX being as good as it is (and this forum). But I run a pretty default XFCE in MX, as I still find it easier to do some things in KDE. And I haven't lost any of the speed that MX brings to the table when I use it with KDE. (I did not do some of the 'tweaks' that are in the KDE installation guide.)
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Re: GNOME (solved)

#13 Post by uncle mark » Tue May 19, 2015 3:44 pm

lucky9 wrote:Years ago I looked at what was available as a DE. For whatever reason I decided KDE was where I wanted to be.

I do find that XFCE is very usable and that about 50% of my time is spent using it. Only because of MX being as good as it is (and this forum).
Soon enough (after MX-15.1?) I'll be updating my OS, and unless I change my mind it'll be MX-KDE. Even though using a 32-bit OS in this day and age just feels wrong, there's no real reason I need 64-bit. While Mint KDE 64 and SolydK 64 are tempting, I just can't imagine not being able to avail myself of this distro and this forum.

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Re: GNOME (solved)

#14 Post by asqwerth » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:30 am

Argh.

I'm reviving this thread just to moan and whinge about my Ubuntu Gnome 15.04 installation. This was my trial Gnome 3 distro, and over the weekend it had the weirdest bug.

sudo apt-get update got stuck for a long time trying to download one particular source (I hadn't even got to dist-upgrade), and then I got a message that my device was out of storage space.

Whuh...?

I booted into another distro and checked - my 22 GB partition had only 160MB left when previously I'd used less than 8 GB.

I've never had this problem with any distro, Ubuntu, Debian or otherwise.

I sudo apt-get clean (or the equivalent clear cache command for that distro) before every update, and I only keep 3 or 4 of the most recent kernels.

Bizarre. I am assuming this is an Ubuntu problem rather than a Gnome issue.

I decided that if I still wanted to have a Gnome 3 distro in my system, I might as well try Gnome on Fedora, since Gnome more or less is their baby. However I was too lazy to want to work out how to install and set up non-free stuff and codecs, so I installed Korora instead, since it is to Fedora what Mint is to Ubuntu.

Initial opinion - not bad, although it takes some time to get a grip on how the installer is laid out.

Once installed, it can be seen that Korora has installed and enabled the same Gnome shell extensions as Ubuntu Gnome, so usability out of the box is comfortable enough. Of course I still think it's weird for Gnome developers to take away so much functionality and make people work to get it back, but whatever.

Fedora and its RPM package system is not something I'm that familiar with (su -c 'yum update' is about all I know for CLI commands), but the GUI package manager Yum Extender seems usable. I'll have to do some Googling to work out how to remove kernels and clear the cache.
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Re: GNOME (solved)

#15 Post by sdibaja » Sat May 26, 2018 10:43 am

I prefer Mate. I have a bit of trouble navigating Xfce but slowly getting there. I did get Mate up and going using Synaptic, but Not having great luck with getting the full version that I am accustomed to with Debian Stretch. There are probably some conflicts somewhere, probably user error.

Having just discovered "MX Package Installer" (thanks!) maybe I will make a fresh install and try that.
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Re: GNOME (solved)

#16 Post by KBD » Sat May 26, 2018 11:46 am

Awhile back, on MX 16 I believe, I installed MATE and it worked well. I'm using MATE on Debian Stable right now and it works great. I've tried Gnome Classic DE and it's kind of horrible and featureless compared to MATE.

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Re: GNOME (solved)

#17 Post by asqwerth » Sat May 26, 2018 11:56 am

I'm still using Gnome 3 on Korora. The same installation has been upgraded over the last few years from version 21 to 27. In the light of Korora devs taking a break, I just backed up my install and intend to remove the Korora repos, remove and swap the Korora release/issue.net files for Fedora ones. This is in preparation for upgrading to Fedora 28 maybe in August (that's my regular upgrade schedule), so I hope nothing breaks.

I have MATE running in PCLinuxOS. I'm not that keen on the DE, but with Compiz and the newish Brisk menu originating from Solus, it's fine.
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Re: GNOME (solved)

#18 Post by rich » Sat May 26, 2018 12:13 pm

One thing in MATE's favor is they backport their releases - 1.18 is currently in stable-backports, with 1.20 on its way
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Re: GNOME (solved)

#19 Post by linwinux » Sat May 26, 2018 1:26 pm

The only reason why I switched from Mate 1.0.2 over to XFCE was because of the panel differences. Everything that can be done with XFCE panels just totally amazed me, including the 100% translucent setting, several panels at the same time, and the fact that everything on those panels actually remained where it was put (after locking the panel). I still think Mate has the best (Caja) file manager because of a feature that none of the other file managers have ... music preview simply by hovering over a file. If Thunar had the auto-preview, it would be heaven for me (and anyone else who has hundreds of CDs with which to create music compilations). ;)

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Re: GNOME (solved)

#20 Post by KBD » Sat May 26, 2018 2:47 pm

Xfce has come a long way and has a reputation for being stable, reliable, and dependable, something rare in Linux land.

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