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[SOLVED] Upgrading between major versions

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Re: Upgrading between major versions

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Post by Stevo » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:05 pm

I haven't had any problems myself with carrying over a home folder from MX 14/MEPIS 12 all the way up to MX 18.

YMMV.

We also hope that it may be possible to upgrade in place from MX 17/18 to 19, but we'll have to test that thoroughly.

We also have aptik in the main repo and aptik-gtk in testing that aim to make a migration reinstall less of a chore.
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Re: Upgrading between major versions

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Post by Gordon Cooper » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:09 pm

Have carried the home folder forward since MX15, no observed problems.
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Re: Upgrading between major versions

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Post by Klaas Vaak » Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:47 am

@asqwerth: thanks for your explanation.
What I still struggle with is which folders have the relevant data.
The Home folder: that's obvious.
But, when you install a program yourself, there are other folders too that are used and/or created and that user is not aware of. How do you find those? Do you manually copy regularly data, media, bookmarks to your shared Data partition? If not, how do you get a program you install to use that folder when it does not give you that option during installation?

And how do you deal with old kernels, obsolete and orphaned packages?

I hope I am not bugging you too much with so many questions, but in this sense Linux is still so foreign to me.

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Re: Upgrading between major versions

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Post by asqwerth » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:02 am

Read this, https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?titl ... _your_home

written previously by forum member handy.

The first half is more relevant, up to and including the bit on Firefox.
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Re: Upgrading between major versions

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Post by asqwerth » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:20 am

... how do you deal with old kernels, obsolete and orphaned packages?
Old kernels: use Synaptic to remove the image and header files for the kernel, after confirming it's not the one currently in use.

In any case, kernels are found in /root partition, not /home, so if you do a fresh install of MX18 over an MX16 partition, the MX16 root partition and all subfolders are all wiped out, including all the kernels in use for MX16.

All you will have is a fresh MX18 root partition and its default kernel, with the /home partition or folder preserved from MX16.

Ditto packages installed in MX16. Gone.

What is left is just personal configurations of programs and other things saved in home. For example, you installed a text editor (geany) that wasn't default on MX16 (but now is default in MX18). The program was installed in root of MX16.

But your personal settings (e.g. default folder to open to when you save a file, removing or adding of some menu buttons in the tool bar, etc) are not in root. These are usually stored in a hidden dot file or folder in the /home/username/.config subfolder, for example, /home/username/.config/geany

You preserve your /home of MX16 when you install MX18. So the dot file for geany remains.

WHen you open geany for the first time after installing MX18, the setup of the toolbar, default folder, etc, will still be there. If you delete that dot file, you get a fresh, unused, un-configured geany.
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Re: Upgrading between major versions

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Post by Pierre » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:27 am

Gordon Cooper wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:09 pm
Have carried the home folder forward since MX15, no observed problems.
likewise - kept internal upgrade from MX15 - MX 16,, but did skip MX 17,, clean install MX 18
- whilst retaining the separate /home directory.
:cool:

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Re: Upgrading between major versions

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Post by Klaas Vaak » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:46 am

Gordon Cooper wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:09 pm
Have carried the home folder forward since MX15, no observed problems.
Thanks for the input Gordon, that adds to my reassurance :-)

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Re: Upgrading between major versions

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Post by Klaas Vaak » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:48 am

Stevo wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:05 pm
I haven't had any problems myself with carrying over a home folder from MX 14/MEPIS 12 all the way up to MX 18.

YMMV.

We also hope that it may be possible to upgrade in place from MX 17/18 to 19, but we'll have to test that thoroughly.

We also have aptik in the main repo and aptik-gtk in testing that aim to make a migration reinstall less of a chore.
OK, things are looking up more & more.

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Re: Upgrading between major versions

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Post by Klaas Vaak » Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:05 am

asqwerth wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:02 am
Read this, https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?titl ... _your_home

written previously by forum member handy.

The first half is more relevant, up to and including the bit on Firefox.
That is a very useful page and makes things a lot clearer, esp. in terms of backing up. Thank you.

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Re: Upgrading between major versions

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Post by Jerry3904 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:11 am

asqwerth wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:02 am
Read this, https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?titl ... _your_home

written previously by forum member handy.

The first half is more relevant, up to and including the bit on Firefox.
That is very nice, may contact author to try to bring into the Wiki.
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