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The end of spinning rust...

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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#21 Post by KBD » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:53 pm

chrispop99 wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:21 am
Until you have experienced Linux on a reasonably modern machine, with an SSD boot drive, you wouldn't understand why they are the best modification you can make!

Chris
Yes, I found this out doing full Linux installations to 32gb and 64gb usb sticks for portable systems and testing. Incredibly fast even using usb 2.0 compared to hard drive boot. And it has gotten worse. Systemd seems to drag down boot times across anything it comes with. Debian with systemd is painfully slow booting on a hard drive.

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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#22 Post by Mauser » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:55 pm

KBD wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:48 pm
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Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:20 pm

SSD's of 1TB or larger are not affordable since they extremely expensive. HDD's hold the 1TB or larger market.
Yes, I'm looking at SSD's like this one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01F9G43WU/?c ... _lig_dp_it
I don't think I could muster enough for a 1tb SSD if I collected all my digital stuff together. Even my 500gb hard drive is overkill. I like some breathing room though, so about 250gb is nice, but 128-160gb SSD would do the job.
O.K. In that case a SSD work work well for you. I have already 1TB of data on my 4TB HDD.

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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#23 Post by Stevo » Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:43 pm

Intel has a $99 512 GB NVme SSD drive out now: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... 660p&num=1

I wonder if decades from now, hipsters will still be using the spinning drives because they say the data off those is more authentic and warmer. :p
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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#24 Post by timkb4cq » Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:45 pm

My main machines use SSD for the OS, but I have collected a lot of data over the last 20+ years.
The 3TB drive in my daily driver is 2/3 full, so I'll still have spinning rust for a while...
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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#25 Post by KBD » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:47 pm

Stevo wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:43 pm
Intel has a $99 512 GB NVme SSD drive out now: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... 660p&num=1

I wonder if decades from now, hipsters will still be using the spinning drives because they say the data off those is more authentic and warmer. :p
Pixels sharper and sound crisper off of a spinning disk lol!

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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#26 Post by Gordon Cooper » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:20 pm

I very much doubt if rust was ever spinning. Early Hard Drives did use an oxide of iron - magnetite - found naturally and brown in color. Rust is a different compound
and not magnetic.

Regardless of which oxide you may think you have, HD's now use a thin metallic film for the storage medium, it allows the heads to float much closer to the disk's surface, greatly improving the performance.
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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#27 Post by Mauser » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:36 pm

Calling HDD's spinning rust is silly. All the HDD's I took apart after they failed to see what happen had top grade stainless steel disk platters which it's impossible to rust. Prices of SDD's of 1-TB or larger must come way down before they are a viable option unless you have money to burn. Even doing a RAID 10 with 8 1-TB HDD's to get similar performance speed of a SSD is way less expensive and more reliable because of redundancy than a 4-TB SSD which would be the same size.

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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#28 Post by Gordon Cooper » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:00 pm

SSD prices have not dropped much here Downunder. A 250 GB SSD about US 75 cents per gig. 120's about 50-60 cents.
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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#29 Post by sunrat » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:12 pm

Prices have dropped substantially if you compare over years. I bought a 120GB OCZ Vertex2 about 7 years ago for $AU240. Recently I got a 500GB Samsung EVO860 for $AU209.
The OCZ is still working perfectly on my daily system. The Samsung is at least 3 times faster in read/write tests. I use it in my audio production system and hopefully will soon replace the spinny thing with a 2TB SSD as the HD is the only thing that makes any noticeable noise in that system. HD is a 2TB WD Black which are notoriously noisy although very fast.

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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#30 Post by Gordon Cooper » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:04 am

SSD's for audio production! How things have changed. In 1972 we were using Revoxes and editing with a razor blade and sticky tape.
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