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The end of spinning rust...

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The end of spinning rust...

#1 Post by thomasl » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:30 am

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/1 ... ice_crash/
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/1 ... 100tb_ssd/

If this comes to pass the days of the good old hard disk are numbered. I do remember seeing my first HD ever sometime in 1982. It was an IBM 5MB (yes, MB) Winchester model. It was housed in a huge box and it produced unbelievable levels of noise. But FIVE MB... that was unimaginable.

Now they talk about 100TB in a 2.5 inch form factor: that's 20 million as much as this 5MB monster. Amazing.
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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#2 Post by Pierre » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:04 am

since when is bigger = better OR faster = better ?
ie: there will always a benefit to having an SSD over an HDD, but, these SSDs do have their issues as well,
so the good thing is that their price will come down, but will that in turn make the HDDs more expensive ?
& this may only apply to the small - medium sized SSDs, as the larger capacity HDDs may not be in SSD format, yet.
:bagoverhead:
but, my big issue is with those usb sticks,, where I'm already having issues in obtaining those smaller usb drives,
which are quite useful, but now can't get anything that smaller than 8Gb,
and my assumption is, that by December, there won't be any 8Gb sticks anymore.
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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#3 Post by Eadwine Rose » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:10 am

My 640g drive just died that had windows on it. Well.. not died.. it still works, but Windows is all messy. Overheated due to the tray fan not spinning so I wager some stuff got damaged that happens to be where Windows gets its info from. Ah well..

The new drive? I have a 500G one lying around that I intend to format and use for this. Not going to buy me a new kind until my old ones are all good and well scrap material ;)
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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#4 Post by thomasl » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:52 am

Pierre wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:04 am
since when is bigger = better OR faster = better ?
LOL. I agree to the bigger !always better bit (though in physical terms those 100TB SSDs are in fact tiny compared to that giant shoebox of a Winchester drive... but of course I know what you mean) or, when it comes to software, to newer !always better.

However, as far as CPUs and everyday storage media are concerned I am firm believer in speed. None of my PCs since 2014 had a mechanical drive though I still use them for backup purposes (I have more than a dozen lying around, one or two even from the last century, and they all still do their job. In fact, I've never had a hard disk die on me :happy:).
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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#5 Post by entropyfoe » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:07 am

For me the best combination is a fast SSD (NVMe PCIE please!)for boot and programs, a large SSD (1TB Samsung SATA) for data, so aside from fans during normal operation there is no spinning to wear bearings and make noise But SSD for back-up, no way, there is an issue with data persistence when powered off.

Spinning rust for back-ups, but they are powered off most of the time to save wear. So the best of all worlds, no spinning for daily use, but fast data access, but off line disks for persistent with power off back-ups.
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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#6 Post by chrispop99 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:21 am

Until you have experienced Linux on a reasonably modern machine, with an SSD boot drive, you wouldn't understand why they are the best modification you can make!

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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#7 Post by richb » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:38 am

chrispop99 wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:21 am
Until you have experienced Linux on a reasonably modern machine, with an SSD boot drive, you wouldn't understand why they are the best modification you can make!

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Absolutely correct. And bigger is better depending on how much data you need to store. Do you want 16 4 GB flash drives or one 64 GB flash drive if you want to back up 63 GB of data?
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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#8 Post by bigbenaugust » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:03 am

I actually have to buy some spinners for my NAS, the ancient 1.5TB drives I built its predecessor with are finally throwing SMART warnings. Since I can't find a 1.5TB drive, I guess I am stuck buying a pair of 4TB drives and rebuilding the RAID again.
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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#9 Post by Eadwine Rose » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:13 am

If you guys call 1.5 TB ancient.. I wonder what my 500 gb drive is.. antique? :laugh:
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Re: The end of spinning rust...

#10 Post by whell » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:31 am

" The end of spinning rust..."

Please don't talk about my car that way. It's just mean. :happy:

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