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Proper way to install/update from community repos

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Proper way to install/update from community repos

#1 Postby Fargo » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:19 pm

What is the proper way to install and/or update software from the community repos? Once the 'cr' repo is selected and 'Reloaded', should I 'Mark all Upgrades' and 'Apply' all current updates prior to installing any software from the CR repo? Or is it better to just select the programs that I want installed or updated and let Synaptic find the required updates?

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Re: Proper way to install/update from community repos

#2 Postby timkb4cq » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:29 pm

The latter. Just select the program to install - Synaptic will get the dependencies for you.
This is especially true if you are installing a package from the testing CR.
BTW, some testing CR packages will need dependencies from the main CR so it's a good idea to enable both if you are installing something from testing. Make sure to disable the testing CR before doing any regular updates.
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Re: Proper way to install/update from community repos

#3 Postby Fargo » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:48 pm

Oops. I've been updating everything from the CR repos. I guess I should have asked before I did it. But so far no problems. However, in the future I will only install or update the programs I want updated and then I will de-select the CR repo again. It might be a good idea to make this a sticky so others know the best method of updating from the Community Repos.

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Re: Proper way to install/update from community repos

#4 Postby kmathern » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:56 pm

Fargo wrote:Oops. I've been updating everything from the CR repos. I guess I should have asked before I did it. But so far no problems. However, in the future I will only install or update the programs I want updated and then I will de-select the CR repo again. It might be a good idea to make this a sticky so others know the best method of updating from the Community Repos.

It's in the wiki: http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php?title=Community_Repository#Test_Repository_Notes

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Re: Proper way to install/update from community repos

#5 Postby Fargo » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:10 pm

kmathern wrote:
Fargo wrote:Oops. I've been updating everything from the CR repos. I guess I should have asked before I did it. But so far no problems. However, in the future I will only install or update the programs I want updated and then I will de-select the CR repo again. It might be a good idea to make this a sticky so others know the best method of updating from the Community Repos.

It's in the wiki: http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php?title=Community_Repository#Test_Repository_Notes


Hmm, I must be blind. I read the wiki and I still didn't see the instructions for using the CR repo. I saw the CR Test repo was to only be used for testing, but I didn't see anything about how to use the Main CR repo.

In the past, I had thought this could be selected along with the Debian and Main Mepis repos and remain selected at all times. But from what I am hearing now, it should only be used to download specific programs and then be de-selected. Thanks for clarifying.

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Re: Proper way to install/update from community repos

#6 Postby lucky9 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:23 pm

I've rarely had a problem with using the main CR all the time. Matter of fact I can't remember ever having one. If you mix debian backports and/or debian multimedia with it, then you can have problems.

It's not recommended for most, but I've run with the CR Testing repositories enabled all the time. There is rarely a problem, but that's why they call it testing. So that everything in the main CR is vetted as working the way it should.

But after all's said, you're dead-bang reliable when using the as shipped default repositories. In that case, for some multimedia items you may need to enable the debian multimedia repository. (it's shipped disabled for legal reasons)
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Re: Proper way to install/update from community repos

#7 Postby kmathern » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:42 pm

lucky9 wrote:I've rarely had a problem with using the main CR all the time. Matter of fact I can't remember ever having one. If you mix debian backports and/or debian multimedia with it, then you can have problems.

It's not recommended for most, but I've run with the CR Testing repositories enabled all the time. There is rarely a problem, but that's why they call it testing. So that everything in the main CR is vetted as working the way it should.

But after all's said, you're dead-bang reliable when using the as shipped default repositories. In that case, for some multimedia items you may need to enable the debian multimedia repository. (it's shipped disabled for legal reasons)

I go along with the recommendation in the wiki to just install packages as needed from the testrepo, but not general upgrades. Recall this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=31902, where the o.p. had been doing regular upgrades for some time with the testrepo enabled, but eventually got bit by that.

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Re: Proper way to install/update from community repos

#8 Postby lucky9 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:02 pm

I certainly wouldn't recommend doing any differently at this time for sure. In the past it was doable. I was one who got bit the second time. Only thing I lost was some time. Not a bad learning experience at all. But my interest in reliability was enhanced. And I was reading every post! What a mind!
At least I could've said I'd replicated said problem/s.


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Re: Proper way to install/update from community repos

#9 Postby Stevo » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:21 am

Yes, but we switched those massive KDE upgrades to their own repo now. I still update everything from the test repo as a matter of testing, but if I ever get some error message about it removing all of KDE, rest assured I'm not going to say "go ahead!"

For a production-critical system, only install from the main CR. For the average user, using the test repo shoud be safe enough with a little caution.
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Re: Proper way to install/update from community repos

#10 Postby Fargo » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:34 am

Stevo wrote:Yes, but we switched those massive KDE upgrades to their own repo now. I still update everything from the test repo as a matter of testing, but if I ever get some error message about it removing all of KDE, rest assured I'm not going to say "go ahead!"

For a production-critical system, only install from the main CR. For the average user, using the test repo shoud be safe enough with a little caution.


So for a production-critical system, would you update from the "Main CR" or just install the packages you need?


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