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Re: mx 17 final

#21 Postby Stevo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:24 am

golden45 wrote:Thanks will try liquorix next time ,but you have to remove the former kernel manually.Am I right?thanks john


Nope.

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Re: mx 17 final

#22 Postby asqwerth » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:42 am

Stevo wrote:
golden45 wrote:Thanks will try liquorix next time ,but you have to remove the former kernel manually.Am I right?thanks john


Nope.


I think what Steveo is saying is that you can install and use the newkernel without removing the former kernel. They'll both be in the "Advanced" menu item under "MX17" if you expand it but the newer one will be on top. If you just click the main "MX17" boot menu item, the default kernel for booting will be latest one.

But if you do WANT to remove the old kernel after ensuring the new one works properly on boot up, then yes, you have to remove it manually. Just that you don't HAVE to.
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Re: mx 17 final

#23 Postby asqwerth » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:02 am

golden45 wrote:Found this concerning packaging management system.

Ubuntu uses the same packaging management system (deb and apt) and with each development cycle pulls in the latest packages from Debian and then adapts them to Ubuntu specifics and adds more features and patches where necessary. They also push changes back to Debian and often developers are Ubuntu and Debian developers.
It looks to me that packages are worked on by both ubuntu and debian by developers of the systems.thanks john
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The "latest" could mean the latest branch of Debian, beyond what works on MX17's Stretch Branch. So it may not be that the changes that are pushed back are immediately useable by MX17/Stretch.
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Re: mx 17 final

#24 Postby golden45 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:41 pm

Why is gdebi package manager used to by mxlinux if we cannot use it to install deb packages from ubuntu?thanks for replies john

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Re: mx 17 final

#25 Postby golden45 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:51 pm

System: Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.15.0-041500rc7-generic i686 bits: 32 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
Distro: MX-17_386 Horizon December 15, 2017
Machine: Device: desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: P4SP-MX v: REV 1.xx serial: N/A
BIOS: Award v: ASUS P4SP-MX 1006 Beta 002 date: 04/14/2006
CPU: Single core Intel Pentium 4 (-MT-) cache: 1024 KB
clock speeds: max: 1994 MHz 1: 1994 MHz 2: 1994 MHz
Graphics: Card: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter
Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.2 ) drivers: vesa (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev)
Resolution: 1280x1024@0.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 128 bits) version: 3.3 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio: Card Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS7012 AC'97 Sound Controller
driver: snd_intel8x0
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.15.0-041500rc7-generic
Network: Card: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet driver: sis900
IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:11:2f:99:eb:dc
Drives: HDD Total Size: 30.8GB (34.3% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: Maxtor_6E030L0 size: 30.8GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 27G used: 8.0G (33%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
RAID: No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors: None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info: Processes: 165 Uptime: 2 min Memory: 394.6/1980.7MB
Client: Shell (quick-system-in) inxi: 2.3.53
I just installed the newest release candidate 4.15.0-041500rc7 experimental.I've had to reinstall broadcom-ndiswrapper-and virtual box to make them work.I do not plan on running this kernel-only trying to see if it will run using mxlinux.thanks john

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Re: mx 17 final

#26 Postby asqwerth » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:58 pm

As I understand it in my non-expert knowledge, the type of package manager and packaging system/format is not the same as having the same version of a package that is created or built using the same system.

It's like if you have the same person wrapping gifts who always wraps presents in shiny red paper and a gold ribbon, and uses the same sized box and folds the wrapping paper in exactly the same way every time, but the contents in the box that he wraps may be different depending who the recipient is.

So both Debian and Ubuntu use the same packaging format, but the stuff that is packed in a .deb file format can be different.
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Re: mx 17 final

#27 Postby Stevo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:06 pm

golden45 wrote:Why is gdebi package manager used to by mxlinux if we cannot use it to install deb packages from ubuntu?thanks for replies john


Gdebi will install an Ubuntu package if its list of dependencies are compatible. Mostly they will work, but not always. You have found that some Ubuntu packages won't install at all. Gdebi is keeping you from breaking your system. That is a feature, not a bug. You are on your own if you run an Ubuntu kernel, though they seem to work.

The only way to be certain a package is compatible to build it for our own repo, with tweaks if needed, or get it from a compatible repo such as Debian backports. That's why we had to rebuild the Sid 4.14.13 kernel from source for MX, with tweaks, instead of just putting the Sid debs in our repository.

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Re: mx 17 final

#28 Postby Stevo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:09 pm

asqwerth wrote:As I understand it in my non-expert knowledge, the type of package manager and packaging system/format is not the same as having the same version of a package that is created or built using the same system.

It's like if you have the same person wrapping gifts who always wraps presents in shiny red paper and a gold ribbon, and uses the same sized box and folds the wrapping paper in exactly the same way every time, but the contents in the box that he wraps may be different depending who the recipient is.

So both Debian and Ubuntu use the same packaging format, but the stuff that is packed in a .deb file format can be different.


Yes, I can buy brake calipers online, and they come shipped in exactly the same box, but what fits my car will not necessarily fit your car.

By the way, we don't need the wall of text if you just want to show your kernel..."uname -a" will work for that.

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Re: mx 17 final

#29 Postby golden45 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:03 pm

Thank you for clarication of the questions I have asked-really appreciate you both for taking the time to explian.thank you very much john

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Re: mx 17 final

#30 Postby golden45 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:49 pm

still running ubuntu kernel 4.15 will not use liquorix image updates again as I think The ubuntu image kernel and the debain kernels are the same
if I use ukuu to remove older kernels and have had no problemns.I say this after using on both 32 AND 64 BIT SYSYTEMS .thanks john


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