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#1 Post by Leo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:02 am

Hi. My computer's fairly old (Athalon64 3500) and I have a problem I can't figure out. When I try a live session, it doesn't matter what media I use (CD, DVD, flash drive), I don't have a cursor. When I'm wiggling my mouse around, sometimes things "light up" like I'm hovering over them. I've tried 5 or 6 different distros and it's the same. The installed Mepis 11 is just fine. So, am I missing something, or is my computer doomed?

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Re: No cursor

#2 Post by kmathern » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:59 am

I occasionally see some strange things with the mouse/cursor when the vesa video driver is being used (in live sessions & regular installs), so it might be video driver related.

What video card are you currently using? (some time ago you had a long topic here: http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/viewtop ... 84&t=34127 where you were using a GeForce4 MX-440 card, and then a FX 5500)

Could you post the `inxi -Fxxx` report from Mepis 11 where you say it seems to work okay? (if you don't have inxi installed use the wiki instructions here: http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php? ... stallation to install it)

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Re: No cursor

#3 Post by Leo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:09 am

System: Host: LionsPride Kernel: 2.6.36-1-mepis-smp i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.4.5)
Desktop: KDE 4.5.3 (Qt 4.7.1) info: plasma-desktop dm: kdm Distro: MEPIS 11.0 squeeze
Machine: System: HP Pavilion 061 product: PJ473AA-ABA M1160N v: 0qq1112RE101SALMO00 serial: MXK4411YVN NA440
Mobo: ASUSTek model: Salmon v: 1.03 serial: MB-1234567890
Bios: Phoenix v: 3.02 date: 09/02/2004
Chassis: Hewlett-Packard type: 3 v: 1111
CPU: Single core AMD Athlon 64 3400+ (-UP-) cache: 1024 KB
flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2) bmips: 3617 speed/min/max: 1800/1800/2200 MHz
Graphics: Card: nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0326
Display Server: X.org 1.7.7 driver: nvidia tty size: 104x38 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio: Card Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller
driver: Intel ICH ports: c000 c400 bus-ID: 00:02.7 chip-ID: 1039:7012
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: 1.0.23
Network: Card: 3Com 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone]
driver: 3c59x port: e000 bus-ID: 00:09.0 chip-ID: 10b7:9055
IF: eth1 state: unknown speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:10:4b:cb:16:a1
Drives: HDD Total Size: 741.1GB (15.2% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: Maxtor_5T040H4 size: 41.0GB serial: T4HQHP8C
ID-2: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD2000BB size: 200.0GB serial: WD-WCAL71346703
ID-3: USB /dev/sdc model: Backup+_BK size: 500.1GB serial: NA539R0Q-0:0
Partition: ID-1: / size: 9.7G used: 5.2G (57%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-2: /home size: 27G used: 2.3G (9%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
ID-3: swap-1 size: 1.05GB used: 0.01GB (1%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 40.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 0.0:
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info: Processes: 164 Uptime: 2 days Memory: 632.1/2024.8MB
Init: SysVinit v: 2.88 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Gcc sys: 4.4.5
Client: Shell (bash 4.1.51 running in konsole) inxi: 2.2.15

That help?

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Re: No cursor

#4 Post by kmathern » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:26 am

I'm assuming you have the 173xx series nvidia driver installed in M11 for your FX 5500, but I can't tell for sure because you ran inxi as root. Maybe run inxi again as a regular user, this command: `inxi -Gxxx`.

For most recent distros a live session will probably use either the nouveau driver or the vesa driver for that videocard.

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Re: No cursor

#5 Post by Leo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:43 am

Graphics: Card: nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0326
Display Server: X.Org 1.7.7 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1280x1024@50.0hz
GLX Renderer: GeForce FX 5500/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
GLX Version: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 173.14.39 Direct Rendering: Yes
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Re: No cursor

#6 Post by kmathern » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:02 pm

Leo wrote:Graphics: Card: nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0326
Display Server: X.Org 1.7.7 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1280x1024@50.0hz
GLX Renderer: GeForce FX 5500/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
GLX Version: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 173.14.39 Direct Rendering: Yes
There ya go...
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So you are using the 173xx nvidia proprietary driver in Mepis 11 and the cursor works fine (is visible) with it.

I think you might just be seeing differences between the video driver that's being used in a live session for the various distros and the nvidia driver.

Out of curiosity which distros have you tried running in live sessions where you have a problem with the cursor?

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Re: No cursor

#7 Post by Leo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:54 pm

Lesee...MX 14, Mint, antiX, Ubuntu (2 versions), Mepis 11 and 12...and Mepis 11, MX 14, and Mint on flash drive. That's what I have around here. I've tried both wired and wireless meeses, just in case.

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Re: No cursor

#8 Post by kmathern » Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:15 pm

Leo wrote:Lesee...MX 14, Mint, antiX, Ubuntu (2 versions), Mepis 11 and 12...and Mepis 11, MX 14, and Mint on flash drive. That's what I have around here. I've tried both wired and wireless meeses, just in case.

Thanks for taking the time for this...
If you're interested in experimenting with it some, you can install the 173xx nvidia driver while running in a MX-14 live session.

Before booting the live session press the F5 video mode key and choose either "vesa" or "safe" instead of "default" {you're doing that to disable the nouveau kms driver}.

When at the Xfce4 desktop, run the nvidia install script (Menu -> System -> Nvidia_Install).

When it's done log out of the Xfce4 session and then log back in, it should be using the 173xx nvidia driver when you're back in Xfce4.

If you decide to install MX-14, the 173xx nvidia driver you installed in the live session will carryover to the harddrive install.

edit:
You might be able to do something similar with earlier versions of antiX, except you would use sgfxi, and you need to run sgfxi outside of X. You won't be able to do it with the Jessie based antiX alphas because the 173xx driver nolonger works with the 1.16 Xorg version that Jessie uses.

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Re: No cursor

#9 Post by Leo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:39 pm

Well, there's a cursor with the vesa driver, and if I choose compatibility mode in Mint (which I would assume use the vesa driver). So, is my video card just too old for nouveau?
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Re: No cursor

#10 Post by timkb4cq » Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:42 pm

There have been reports that kernel 3.7 broke nouveau support for the nv34 cards - that's the FX5200 & FX5500 series. You could try an older kernel if you really want to run nouveau.
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