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Re: Is elogind solution for MX systemd question?

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Post by skidoo » Thu May 23, 2019 12:47 am

kudos to rasat for the cool respin experiment.

yes, GnomeDesktop in Devuan Ascii ~~ within the past month, someone has reported success with that
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2816

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Re: Is elogind solution for MX systemd question?

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Post by rasat » Thu May 23, 2019 6:14 pm

asqwerth wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 11:57 pm
But it's the Buster/Beowulf upgrade that will be the real test for installing Gnome I believe, not the stretch to ascii conversion.

I'm not sure, but I think that Devuan's Stretch analogue (ASCII) might still not be fully systemd-free, so Gnome might still work on it. I'll be interested to hear the results of that (ie, Beowulf and Gnome) test.
So far everything works fine with upgraded beowulf from ascii. Both Xfce and Gnome are running. I did two upgrade attempts 1) first didn't get lightdm to run. 2) replaced with Slim, works fine.
Lightdm may not be a problem, because there were broken package installs what were fixed later. After installing Gnome, re-installed lightdm and works fine.

MX Beowulf Respin (Xfce) is currently uploading, will post url later in different thread.
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This solution sounds OK....my concern, is Devuan a reliable and long lasting base?
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Re: Is elogind solution for MX systemd question? [OK]

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Post by asqwerth » Thu May 23, 2019 11:49 pm

... is Devuan a reliable and long lasting base?
I suspect that if you want to keep using Gnome with no-systemd distros, the answer lies with the Gnome devs. ;)
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Re: Is elogind solution for MX systemd question? [OK]

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Post by skidoo » Fri May 24, 2019 12:01 am

edit: replaced the inline image (quoted below) with a link https://i.vgy.me/MnPfKE.png
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Re: Is elogind solution for MX systemd question? [OK]

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Post by asqwerth » Fri May 24, 2019 12:36 am

skidoo wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 12:01 am
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I don't know enough to give a direct answer.

What are your thoughts, skidoo?
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Re: Is elogind solution for MX systemd question? [OK]

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Post by skidoo » Fri May 24, 2019 12:37 am

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treading on egshells here, striving to not inject my opinion

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https://web.archive.org/web/20190524041 ... hp?id=2766
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2766

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LWN.net Apr 24 article (plus a loooong string of comments)
"Devuan, April Fools, and self-destruction"
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Re: Is elogind solution for MX systemd question? [OK]

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Post by skidoo » Fri May 24, 2019 1:46 am

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2018roio10273436phd.pdf

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The screenshotted "Conclusion" is not the overall // final remark within the thesis.
85pp, recommended reading ~~ I did read it fully in 2018, and again earlier this year.

He and the other dyne.org principals have stretched thin their attention, across numerous projects
https://www.dyne.org/
Following much hoola and fanfare...
(e.g. on kickstarter.com, where I first discovered "dyne, and the Dowse" project)
...each project, it seems (or not, you decide) has been left to languish, unfulfilled.

Granted, those principals are "a step removed"
dyne.org : devuan :: spi (Software in the Public Interest) : debian
but in terms of "the buck stops here", one is left wondering: Where is "here"? Who is steering the project?
Is it obvious (or not, you decide) that the VUAs are primarily engaged in server-centric pursuits?
Longterm success//failure of its "desktop linux" suitability likely rests with its derivatives. The distro's shining star derivative (refracta) has slid off the DW homepage; it, and the devuan distro itself, remains noticably spartan // uncurated // unpolished.

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Re: Is elogind solution for MX systemd question? [OK]

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Post by rasat » Fri May 24, 2019 5:00 am

Here is the respin:
viewtopic.php?f=100&t=50482

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Re: Is elogind solution for MX systemd question? [OK]

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Post by Head_on_a_Stick » Fri May 24, 2019 2:02 pm

skidoo wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 1:46 am
Longterm success//failure of its "desktop linux" suitability likely rests with its derivatives. The distro's shining star derivative (refracta) has slid off the DW homepage; it, and the devuan distro itself, remains noticably spartan // uncurated // unpolished.
Some people like an "unpolished" distribution, and that is in fact the intention of the developers:
devuan.org wrote:Devuan is conceived as a base OS on which to roll your own distro.
List of derivatives here:

https://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros

I can particularly recommend Star & Crowz to those looking for a systemd-free Openbox desktop.

And Refracta is still going, fsmithred is now a Devuan developer :happy:

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Re: Is elogind solution for MX systemd question? [OK]

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Post by skidoo » Fri May 24, 2019 2:46 pm

^--- Respect! That side of the equation needed to be said; thanks for doing so.

BTW, videos from the recent "Dev1conf" Devuan Conference, containing presentations by Katolaz, "phred", et al
are available on the dyne channel @ youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpxJXJ ... 5uWpl4Bo3A

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