MX and Devuan?
Re: MX and Devuan?
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Re: MX and Devuan?
Ugh. The way I look at things, if it's in the repos then it's part of the distro. How many users stick with only the defaults? Adding something from outside of the repos, that's different.misko-2083 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:33 amAnd if I install Budgie Desktop on Antix, I'll be runing Solus instead of Antix?! :D
Are you kidding me?
Re: MX and Devuan?
Because you havn't turned on a block-rule for making it impossible for you get slurping in those dark, dangerous, unwanted packages.misko-2083 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:33 am But why it's possible to install systemd in Antix in the first place?
If you need help to turn on blocking the unspoken, unwanted, you might think about formulating a nice and friendly help request.
Posts, with unfriendly or "strong" (as we cal it in DE) attributes are silently ignored.
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Re: MX and Devuan?
With all due respect that is not the contentious issue. Yes, one can install anything in the Debian repo. The issue is whether antiX is systemd free or not. It is as shipped. If one chooses to install Gnome, a major change in the DE, systemd is brought in. Obviously opinions vary but I will stick with the antiX developers in their position. My last word on this topic that has veered off topic.malspa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:20 pmUgh. The way I look at things, if it's in the repos then it's part of the distro. How many users stick with only the defaults? Adding something from outside of the repos, that's different.misko-2083 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:33 amAnd if I install Budgie Desktop on Antix, I'll be runing Solus instead of Antix?! :D
Are you kidding me?
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Re: MX and Devuan?
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Re: MX and Devuan?
Understood. antiX is systemd-free "as shipped," okay. systemd-free out-of-the-box. But antiX does ship with those repos enabled. 'Nuff said.
@manyroads - I don't think your question was "dumb" at all. The part about "or optional base" sounds interesting.
Anyway, if/when Devuan reaches a point where the MX and antiX devs are satisfied with its stability, wouldn't a Devuan base be an option worth considering? Or maybe not, since anticapitalista has pointed out that Devuan does include libsystemd0.
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Re: MX and Devuan?
The enabled repos are the standard Debian repos, on which we are based. We cannot remove systemd or libsystemd0 from upstream Debian.malspa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:41 pmUnderstood. antiX is systemd-free "as shipped," okay. systemd-free out-of-the-box. But antiX does ship with those repos enabled. 'Nuff said.
@manyroads - I don't think your question was "dumb" at all. The part about "or optional base" sounds interesting.
Anyway, if/when Devuan reaches a point where the MX and antiX devs are satisfied with its stability, wouldn't a Devuan base be an option worth considering? Or maybe not, since anticapitalista has pointed out that Devuan does include libsystemd0.
gnome has libsystemd0 hard coded as a dependency. To rebuild nosystemd versions of gnome that do not require libsystemd0 is far too much work for our small team. If user installs gnome, user gets libsystemd0, but not systemd (this is a fairly recent change it seems as in the past, installing gnome brought in the whole of systemd)
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Re: MX and Devuan?
Whether gnome would actually work without systemd on antiX - I have no idea.
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Re: MX and Devuan?
misko-2083's argument that antix is broken because it allows one to break it
if you try hard enough. I thought that was the foundation of linux.
You are free to try whatever you wish. There are many ways to break it.
And you might find a new way of fixing it. :)
Reminds me of buying a car with a diesel engine, filling the tank with gasoline
and accusing the manufacturer of building a faulty engine when it breaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtozuGGVFqg
I wonder what else Trisquel protects their users from? That's a strange idea.
They didn't used to do that.
if you try hard enough. I thought that was the foundation of linux.
You are free to try whatever you wish. There are many ways to break it.
And you might find a new way of fixing it. :)
Reminds me of buying a car with a diesel engine, filling the tank with gasoline
and accusing the manufacturer of building a faulty engine when it breaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtozuGGVFqg
I wonder what else Trisquel protects their users from? That's a strange idea.
They didn't used to do that.
Thinkpad T430 & Dell Latitude E7450, both with MX-21.3.1
kernal 5.10.0-26-amd64 x86_64; Xfce-4.18.0; 8 GB RAM
Intel Core i5-3380M, Graphics, Audio, Video; & SSDs.
kernal 5.10.0-26-amd64 x86_64; Xfce-4.18.0; 8 GB RAM
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Re: MX and Devuan?
You must really try hard to break antix.
On antiX-17.2_386-full with stock repos on EeePC 1005HA:
returns
On antiX-17.2_386-full with stock repos on EeePC 1005HA:
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# apt-get update && apt-get -s install libsystemd
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E: Unable to locate package libsystemd
Thinkpad T430 & Dell Latitude E7450, both with MX-21.3.1
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kernal 5.10.0-26-amd64 x86_64; Xfce-4.18.0; 8 GB RAM
Intel Core i5-3380M, Graphics, Audio, Video; & SSDs.