Spectre Next Generation

[ChrisUK]

I'm guessing not many will be surprised:

https://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Exclusi ... 40648.html

[wulf]

That makes for a depressing read...I think this will just rumble on and on. Like the article hinted at, ultimately, the only solution will probably be a newly designed cpu..

[Redacted]

From that article;

...it seems that for each fixed issue, two others crop up. This is the result of the fact that during the past twenty years, safety considerations have only played second fiddle to performance in processor development

In my opinion, we the users share a huge part of the blame.
In a security forum I was a member of, many threads were spent arguing which browser was faster, which OS booted faster.
Some AVs were hated because their scan took too long.
Even with the Spectre issue, I've seen many people saying they wouldn't apply the patched kernels because of the assumed slowdown.
To an extent, Intel was concentrating on what a number of people wanted - speed.
It doesn't excuse Intel, though.

[Eadwine Rose]

Redacted.. I read this "people not applying patched kernels" like: you wouldn't put a deadbolt on your door because it takes a bit longer then to get into your house than without the lock.

You know you run a risk, but hey.. no one walked into the house ever before, so...


I can understand it from that point of view, but also from those who want a safe system :)

[cyrilus31]

From that article;

...it seems that for each fixed issue, two others crop up. This is the result of the fact that during the past twenty years, safety considerations have only played second fiddle to performance in processor development

In my opinion, we the users share a huge part of the blame.
In a security forum I was a member of, many threads were spent arguing which browser was faster, which OS booted faster.
Some AVs were hated because their scan took too long.
Even with the Spectre issue, I've seen many people saying they wouldn't apply the patched kernels because of the assumed slowdown.
To an extent, Intel was concentrating on what a number of people wanted - speed.
It doesn't excuse Intel, though.

Your reasoning could be applied to so many subjects. Faster, faster and faster no matter what the consequences.

I just watched a video where a so called "AI expert" was complaining how in Europe we are late (and maybe too late) compared to USA and China (GAFAM and BATX) because, I quote : "we hold too closely to our value and ethics". In life, we have to make choices, I simply hope we won't have to regret them.

[Redacted]

I can understand it from that point of view, but also from those who want a safe system :)

And I'm one of those who wants a safe system - beyond any doubt.

In life, we have to make choices, I simply hope we won't have to regret them.

Agreed.