UEFI after 2020 only?
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UEFI after 2020 only?
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Re: UEFI after 2020 only?
Dump Intel.
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Re: UEFI after 2020 only?
about time. UEFI is superior in about a bazillion ways from the user standpoint.
all the stuff vendors put in to make UEFI machines "legacy compatible" is a PTIA. Either/or but not both is simpler.
all the stuff vendors put in to make UEFI machines "legacy compatible" is a PTIA. Either/or but not both is simpler.
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FYI: mx "test" repo is not the same thing as debian testing repo.
lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 4 - MX-23
FYI: mx "test" repo is not the same thing as debian testing repo.
Re: UEFI after 2020 only?
'bout timemmikeinsantarosa wrote:intel plans to eliminate PC bios and use UEFI only after 2020.
Any thought?
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Re: UEFI after 2020 only?
For my two pence (it's about all the spare cash I can find):-
I just hope that future distros will work on the legacy machines.
I just hope that future distros will work on the legacy machines.
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Re: UEFI after 2020 only?
Good point. I resuscitate lots of old hardware and it'd be disappointing if our distro can't run on them. - mGuiGuy wrote:I just hope that future distros will work on the legacy machines.
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Re: UEFI after 2020 only?
I'm surprised to read this. UEFI is a proprietary OS including boot loader and considerably bigger than (Legacy) BIOS. It's not a true standard. The implementation varies between different motherboards. I don't bother with UEFI. Legacy just works, because it initializes hardware and then does nothing. UEFI on the other hand can do dirty tricks like injecting code during boot. Windows 8 and later allow for this and Lenovo used this functionality to reinstall their software/spyware to Lenovos that were re-imaged with clean Windows ISOs.dolphin_oracle wrote:about time. UEFI is superior in about a bazillion ways from the user standpoint.
all the stuff vendors put in to make UEFI machines "legacy compatible" is a PTIA. Either/or but not both is simpler.
According to some, Intel hijacked the UEFI spec in 2005-2006 and turned it into a mess; 10 or 100 times the size of BIOS. From my own experience running multiple OSes on same HDD, UEFI does nothing better (for me), but is harder to use. I'm also curious about power-related problems reported on Linux forums. My first suspicion is Systemd. My second suspicion is UEFI. Why let a giant blob sit between your hardware and OS, it's a bit like using proprietary drivers when good FOSS drivers are available. Yeah, BIOS is also proprietary, but much smaller. My belief is that by using Legacy BIOS you disable some of the UEFI “hooks”. Coreboot/Libreboot would ideally replace BIOS.
Re: UEFI after 2020 only?
I've got nothing against a more open approach to boot firmware. And I think it would be great if coreboot/Libreboot came pre-installed and began to replace BIOS on shipping AMD or Intel motherboards. But it doesn't seem to be catching on...both AMD and Intel are resisting supporting it...and right now you need to be willing to flash your own.
Do have any recommendations for motherboards? I'm about to replace mine on a home-built unit.
Do have any recommendations for motherboards? I'm about to replace mine on a home-built unit.
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Re: UEFI after 2020 only?
I've done a number of builds over the years and have had great luck with ASUS.Do have any recommendations for motherboards? I'm about to replace mine on a home-built unit.
Custom build Asus/AMD/nVidia circa 2011 -- MX 19.2 KDE
Acer Aspire 5250 -- MX 21 KDE
Toshiba Satellite C55 -- MX 18.3 Xfce
Assorted Junk -- assorted Linuxes
Acer Aspire 5250 -- MX 21 KDE
Toshiba Satellite C55 -- MX 18.3 Xfce
Assorted Junk -- assorted Linuxes
Re: UEFI after 2020 only?
Have you ever tried flashing them with Libreboot?
Asus Prime X570-Pro | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
16 Gig DDR4 3600 | Radeon RX 5600 XT Graphics
Samsung 860 500GB SSDs (2)