antiX-17-b3-full, base and core-libre versions available for public testing

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Re: antiX-17-b3-full, base and core-libre versions available for public testing

#41 Post by dolphin_oracle »

BitJam wrote:I tested antiX-16.2 and I get exactly the same behavior as I get on antiX-17.b3. If I use "allow-hotplug" everywhere then there is no delay when the network is initialized during boot and there are no ipv6 connections. When I use "auto wlan0" then I get a 10 or 15 second delay and I see ipv6 connections in the output of ifconfig. The default in antiX-16.2 is to use "allow-hotplug" everywhere. Therefore the main/only change from antiX-16.2 to antiX-17b3 is that on some/most systems (but not on any of mine) "allow-hotplug wlan0" no longer connects automatically at boot-time.

Instead of focusing on "auto wlan0" which seems like an inferior solution since it enables ipv6, wouldn't we be better off trying to find out why "allow-hotplug wlan0" is broken for some/most people on antiX-17? This is hard for me to pursue because I get exactly the same behavior on 16.2 and 17.b3. My three test machines have different wireless chips and drivers.
my antix 16.2 install was fine.

I've been thinking the same thing, ie:: fixing the problem. I've been going thru the networking init scripts, in particular the /etc/init.d/networking script, . and I think on my system here, "sudo ip link set wlan0 up" fails to bring the connection up. This command works on my mx16 system. i don't currently have an antiX 16 system handy, as I've upped all of them to 17.

why is this command important: becuase it appears to be a test to see what "allow hotplug" devices the system should enable. so for me, none of them go up because that command fails. Now why does the command fail? I think that may be the root of the problem. If I comment out the test, the behavior is the same as auto, where EVERYTHING is attempted to be brought up with no real test to determine otherwise.

of course, a different test might work as well. but check there and see what you think.


*** of further note: running with /etc/network/interfaces only containing

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# interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8)

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

and configuring my connection with wicd survives a reboot just fine. It takes a little longer for the connection to come up (a few seconds while the daemon loads I think) but nothing like waiting for a dhcp timeout. My connection came up a couple of seconds after the desktop appeared after an autologin from slim.
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Re: antiX-17-b3-full, base and core-libre versions available for public testing

#42 Post by chrispop99 »

Further to my earlier posts regarding non-working browsers on a machine that doesn't support SSE2, I still can't get one to work.

I have installed every browser from the PI. Every one either fails to launch, launches with a crash message, or crashes as soon as I start changing pages.

I tried the live CD in a machine that supports SSE2, and the browser works fine.

I tried running another distro live, Bodhi Legacy, that uses Midori, and that works fine.

I tried installing Midori, that attempts to launch, then crashes.

I don't have another test machine without SSE2; I only keep this one for testing lightweight distros. Does anyone have a P3 or Athlon XP (32bit) machine they could test on please?

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Re: antiX-17-b3-full, base and core-libre versions available for public testing

#43 Post by azrielle »

I don't suppose Slimjet would work?
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#44 Post by chrispop99 »

azrielle wrote:I don't suppose Slimjet would work?
Thanks, no, it didn't.

It would be nice to see if anyone else with ancient hardware has the same problem. I can't see how it can be related to one particular machine, but who knows?

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Re: antiX-17-b3-full, base and core-libre versions available for public testing

#45 Post by dolphin_oracle »

chrispop99 wrote:
azrielle wrote:I don't suppose Slimjet would work?
Thanks, no, it didn't.

It would be nice to see if anyone else with ancient hardware has the same problem. I can't see how it can be related to one particular machine, but who knows?

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#46 Post by chrispop99 »

dillo should be installed. its pretty no-frills.
Thanks DO; I should have said that Dillo works.

I made a request on our FB page for a test from anyone with a P3 or Athlon XP machine to duplicate my testing, and a kind soul over there has done just that.

His findings duplicate mine. The shipped web browser does not work OOTB on nonSSE2 machines. He also tried Pale Moon, which failed as it did for me.

Just a reminder - Midori works on this machine using another distro, but again fails in this beta.

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#47 Post by anticapitalista »

Thanks for the testing, chrispop99. Did you try seamonkey?

Also, can you try with adobe-flashplugin removed.
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#48 Post by Stevo »

Have you tried Walter Dnes's non-SSE Pale Moon builds? It seems that they are meant for just your situation.

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=13530

Maybe if disabling the SSE requirement is just editing a flag in the mozconfig file, I could whip out non-SSE packages in the openSUSE build service pretty quickly. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but am doing so.

Edit: I got his configuration by running his build with "about:buildconfig" in the address bar. Now to see if adding a "palemoon-nonssse" package with that configuration is kosher with the developers. I have it conflict with and replace the standard palemoon, but the standard palemoon doesn't know nothin' about palemoon-nonsse yet.

Update 2: I kicked off a build of palemoon-nonsse on the OBS: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show ... oon-nonsse

I figure in the off chance that the PM developers don't like it, I can take it down in a minute.

Finished, I have publishing switched off for the packages until they are approved, but here's a direct link to the 32-bit stretch-built deb: https://api.opensuse.org/build/home:ste ... 1_i386.deb

From this information page provided by the OBS for this particular deb. Pretty nice, I just discovered they do this: https://build.opensuse.org/package/bina ... Debian_9.0

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#49 Post by chrispop99 »

anticapitalista wrote:Thanks for the testing, chrispop99. Did you try seamonkey?
Yes, I tried every one from the Package Installer, plus Midori. SeaMonkey launches, but crashes as soon as you start browsing.
anticapitalista wrote:Also, can you try with adobe-flashplugin removed.
Bingo! The dreaded Flash strikes again!

With Flash removed, Firefox ESR, QupZilla, and Midori all appear to run properly.

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#50 Post by chrispop99 »

Stevo wrote:Have you tried Walter Dnes's non-SSE Pale Moon builds? It seems that they are meant for just your situation.

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=13530

Maybe if disabling the SSE requirement is just editing a flag in the mozconfig file, I could whip out non-SSE packages in the openSUSE build service pretty quickly. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but am doing so.

Edit: I got his configuration by running his build with "about:buildconfig" in the address bar. Now to see if adding a "palemoon-nonssse" package with that configuration is kosher with the developers. I have it conflict with and replace the standard palemoon, but the standard palemoon doesn't know nothin' about palemoon-nonsse yet.

Update 2: I kicked off a build of palemoon-nonsse on the OBS: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show ... oon-nonsse

I figure in the off chance that the PM developers don't like it, I can take it down in a minute.

Finished, I have publishing switched off for the packages until they are approved, but here's a direct link to the 32-bit stretch-built deb: https://api.opensuse.org/build/home:ste ... 1_i386.deb

From this information page provided by the OBS for this particular deb. Pretty nice, I just discovered they do this: https://build.opensuse.org/package/bina ... Debian_9.0
Thanks Stevo; it looks like Flash was the problem.

I couldn't access the direct-linked deb as it required credentials.

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