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strange (undesiarable) behaviour of synaptic

#1 Post by beckwith » Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:12 pm

After install chromium, I went into synaptic to check upgrades.Apt-notifier show 2 package -
normal as these are for some reason being withheld. But I click "mark upgrades" I get a
rather list, but in particular synaptic wants to remove vlc (which I don't!), upgrade hplip
(when I have the latest from the HP site). Can anyone tell what is going on?
(3 attached screen dumps - there is a 4th but it is very small, and I think the gist of
my problem is clear)
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Re: strange (undesiarable) behaviour of synaptic

#2 Post by lucky9 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:06 pm

If your Preferences are set correctly then you need to highlight the two programs and choose (under the Package menu at the top) Lock Version. Then Reload.

You did Reload if you have changed Preferences?
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Re: strange (undesiarable) behaviour of synaptic

#3 Post by Stevo » Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:57 pm

Concerning hplip, the apt packaging system can only be aware of packages that are in the .deb format, either installed from a repo or downloaded and installed with the Debian tools, such as gdebi or dpkg. Since hplip from the HP site is not packaged in this way, it doesn't communicate with the APT system, so APT is unaware of what is done out of its "sight". That's not a bug.

https://wiki.debian.org/Apt

As far as I know, you do not have to reload after changing the distro to Prefer.

As for VLC, it's a weird one. I think you have to add phonon-backend-gstreamer and upgrade phonon-backend-vlc from the CR before it will upgrade.

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Re: strange (undesiarable) behaviour of synaptic

#4 Post by beckwith » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:45 am

two things,
1) I don't know what the two withheld packages are, synaptic "packages"
is totally greyed out.
2) it's not trying to upgrade vlc - its trying to *remove* it!

cheers

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and 3) I did reload after changing the prefered distro back from "stable"
(not wheezy) to mepis
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Re: strange (undesiarable) behaviour of synaptic

#5 Post by lucky9 » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:03 pm

At the bottom left of the Synaptic window Left Click Custom Filters. Broken should be the second choice in the upper left panel of choices. Left Click Broken. The two packages that are broken should show up in the right panel.

If there are no broken packages then they should show up if you Left Click Upgradable in the left panel of Synaptic (using the Status choice in the bottom left panel). Left Click each of them to highlight and the choice to lock the version should become available. Select it for each of those packages. Reload.

I agree with Stevo about getting the hplip package from the repositories not the HP site (unless they have .debs). In rare cases it may be necessary. But our Packagers only need to know that you need the latest for it to be packaged.
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Re: strange (undesiarable) behaviour of synaptic

#6 Post by Stevo » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:57 pm

How about if you let apt-notifier handle the upgrades? Does it still want to remove VLC?

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Re: strange (undesiarable) behaviour of synaptic

#7 Post by beckwith » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:15 am

I may have interpreted this wrong...
How about if you let apt-notifier handle the upgrades? Does it still want to remove VLC?
I supposed you meant "synaptic" not apt-notifier.

So, yes VLC was removed.
Sacnner nolonger is recognised.

Re-installed the hp version of hplip, and scanner now works.

Trying to re-install VLC fails: broken packages: vlc 2.1.4-mcr120+1

apt-notifier now says "3 new new upgrades available" but it can't find them
or telll what they are, and of course vlc is now not available.

EDIT
So, I thought, they wouldn't make that error, so I played with apt-notifier,
and yes it did install the upgrades that synaptic couldn't find.
Now I have a plain yellow apt-notifer in the system tray - but no VLC.

Am I right in guessing the "mcr" in the broken package stands for
"mepis community repo"?
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Re: strange (undesiarable) behaviour of synaptic

#8 Post by KernSpy » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:21 pm

beckwith wrote:
Am I right in guessing the "mcr" in the broken package stands for
"mepis community repo"?
Probably, some (old) discussion about that here ..
http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/viewtop ... 2&p=257819
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Re: strange (undesiarable) behaviour of synaptic

#9 Post by timkb4cq » Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:38 pm

We've had issues with vlc due to some actions by wheezy-backports involving vlc, libgnutls28, and libav. As a result there are 5 choices of vlc versions in the various repositories.

On my current M12 install, I have the MEPIS 12 Testing CR enabled, and have the 2.1.5-1 version of vlc installed.

Oh! I see the problem. Wheezy-backports removed libgnutls28 which vlc-nox is dependent on. We added it to the MX-14 main repository which solved the problem for MX users, but not to the MEPIS 12 main CR. Most folks still using M12 upgraded along the way and either still have the libgnutls28 that wheezy backports used to have or are still using the wheezy 2.0.3 vlc version.

You can try apt-get install -t stable vlc to get the older version (actually use apt-get -s -t stable install vlc to see if it wants to remove other stuff first). I'll get libgnutls28 into the main M12 CR in a few minutes if you want to wait. In Synaptic, Reload after I announce it's up and try installing vlc again...
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Re: strange (undesiarable) behaviour of synaptic

#10 Post by timkb4cq » Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:20 pm

OK libgnutls28 should be in the main M12 CR
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