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MX-17.1_April_x64.iso ... Systemd? (solved)

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MX-17.1_April_x64.iso ... Systemd? (solved)

#1 Post by keos » Sat May 12, 2018 3:43 pm

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Re: MX-17.1_April_x64.iso ... Systemd?

#2 Post by Jerry3904 » Sat May 12, 2018 3:49 pm

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Re: MX-17.1_April_x64.iso ... Systemd?

#3 Post by Redacted » Sat May 12, 2018 3:50 pm

From the manual:
1.7.1 Systemd
Because the use of systemd as a system and service manager has been controversial, we want to
be clear about its function in MX Linux. Systemd is included by default but not enabled.
You can scan your MX system and discover files bearing systemd* names, but those simply
provide a compatibility hook/entrypoint when needed.
MX Linux uses systemd-shim, which emulates the systemd functions that are required to run the
helpers without actually using the init service. This means that SvsVinit remains the default init
yet MX Linux can use Debian packages that have systemd dependencies such as CUPS. This
approach also allows the user to retain the ability to choose his/her preferred init. A basic method
of enabling systemd in MX Linux is provided in the MX/antiX Wiki, though no official support
will be provided for users who choose to run MX Linux using systemd.
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Re: MX-17.1_April_x64.iso ... Systemd?

#4 Post by Stevo » Sat May 12, 2018 4:08 pm

It's also answered in our FAQ...

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Re: MX-17.1_April_x64.iso ... Systemd?

#5 Post by Richard » Sat May 12, 2018 9:20 pm

Much less hassle than forking and modifying some Debian apps to function without systemd.
Devuan is already doing that if systemd-shim is a problem.
They have a new Devuan_2.0.0_Ascii_rc this week.
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Re: MX-17.1_April_x64.iso ... Systemd?

#6 Post by keos » Sun May 13, 2018 10:29 am

Well, I tried the recommendation from the wiki and the system is broken now (no connection to Internet). I'm not complaining. Just telling you what happened. This kind of trick or 'experiment' never works in this hardware, so it is my …

The explanation that you provide here about sytemd in mx linux it is a bit complicated to me, I just will like to know if there exists another ISO to download mx linux without systemd, or if there is an iso that during the installation give the option of no to get involved with systemd by force (systemd do not works fine in my pc, many problems and conflicts).

Yes, I have Devuan installed, i'm looking for a second system.

Thank you very much.
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Re: MX-17.1_April_x64.iso ... Systemd?

#7 Post by dolphin_oracle » Sun May 13, 2018 11:10 am

keos wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 10:29 am
Well, I tried the recommendation from the wiki and the system is broken now (no connection to Internet). I'm not complaining. Just telling you what happened. This kind of trick or 'experiment' never works in this hardware, so it is my …

The explanation that you provide here about sytemd in mx linux it is a bit complicated to me, I just will like to know if there exists another ISO to download mx linux without systemd, or if there is an iso that during the installation give the option of no to get involved with systemd by force (systemd do not works fine in my pc, many problems and conflicts).

Yes, I have Devuan installed, i'm looking for a second system.

Thank you very much.
systemd is installed for compatibility with debian packages, mostly due to some helper programs and udev. It is not used as the base init system, as we use sysVinit for that, mostly to keep compatibility with the antiX live system. network-manager is but one of the debian packages that depend on systemd.

That said, if you are looking for a second "pure" systemd-free distro, antiX is on the table. antiX maintains a "nosystemd" repository with many packages compiled without the systemd depend, like netowrkmanager and mate.
http://www.youtube.com/runwiththedolphin
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Re: MX-17.1_April_x64.iso ... Systemd?

#8 Post by keos » Sun May 13, 2018 11:30 am

Thanks for your explanation, i will try antix ...
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Re: MX-17.1_April_x64.iso ... Systemd?

#9 Post by Richard » Sun May 13, 2018 11:46 am

antiX es una buena opción sin ningún traza del systemd.

IceWM es muy funcional como menú, y hay una selección de window managers incluidos.
Si prefieres Xfce4 Desktop esta disponible a través del Package Installer.
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