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Some scary upgrades pending

#1 Post by joany » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:46 am

Synaptic greeted me this morning with three glx-related upgrades:

glx-alternatives-mesa
glx-alternatives-nvidia
glx-diversions

The 3 packages above are to be upgraded from 0.4.2~bpo70+1 to 0.5.1~bpo70+1

In addition, there are five nvidia-related upgrades:

libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx
nvidia-legacy-304xx-alternative
nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx

The 5 packages above are to be upgraded from 304.121-1~bpo70+1 to 304.123-4~bpo70+1

I consider these upgrades to be a little scary. I'm not a big fan of automatically upgrading things like kernels and video drivers, which could render my computer FUBAR, and prefer to carefully install them manually.

So my question is: Are these pending upgrades safe? Or should I just pin these packages and ignore them?
MX-14; 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae kernel using 4GB RAM
2.4GHz AMD Athlon 4600+
NVidia GeForce 6150 LE; 304.121 Display Driver
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Re: Some scary upgrades pending

#2 Post by kmathern » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:03 am

I saw those upgrades showup yesterday on the debian-backports-changes list: https://lists.debian.org/debian-backpor ... s/2014/11/.
As far as I know they should be safe to upgrade, but I suppose you could put them on hold for a while to wait and see how the upgrades work for others.

Btw the Nvidia_Install script will install the upgraded versions, if you wanted you could test them in a Live session. {boot the Live session using the F5 - "Vesa" or "Safe" option}
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Re: Some scary upgrades pending

#3 Post by joany » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:31 am

kmathern wrote:I saw those upgrades showup yesterday on the debian-backports-changes list: https://lists.debian.org/debian-backpor ... s/2014/11/.
As far as I know they should be safe to upgrade, but I suppose you could put them on hold for a while to wait and see how the upgrades work for others.

Btw the Nvidia_Install script will install the upgraded versions, if you wanted you could test them in a Live session.
Thanks for this info. I have a few more questions:

I believe sgfxi checks the hardware before going ahead with the upgrade. How does Synaptic know whether the upgrades are compatible with my hardware?

Does the Nvidia_Install script install all eight of the upgrades listed or just some of them?

In the past, with MX-14 in particular, I've had problems rebooting after installing upgraded video drivers. In the Live session, can I run the NVidia_Install script and then simulate a reboot?
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Re: Some scary upgrades pending

#4 Post by kmathern » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:51 am

joany wrote: Thanks for this info. I have a few more questions:

I believe sgfxi checks the hardware before going ahead with the upgrade. How does Synaptic know whether the upgrades are compatible with my hardware?
The nvidia-legacy-304xx upgrades are compatible with your hardware (GeForce 61xx or 62xx if I recall correctly). As long as you stay with a 304xx version the upgrades should work for that type of card.
{fwiw sgfxi will currently install the '304.123' driver for a GeForce 61xx or 62xx nvidia videocard}
joany wrote:Does the Nvidia_Install script install all eight of the upgrades listed or just some of them?
The Nvidia_Install script will install the same packages/versions as the upgrades you listed above, and six or seven other packages (I forget what the other packages are).
joany wrote:In the Live session, can I run the NVidia_Install script and then simulate a reboot?
You don't need to do a reboot in a Live Session if you boot it using the F5 key's "Vesa" or "Safe" options. Boot with one of those options, once at the desktop run the Nvidia_Install script (menu -> System -> Nvidia_Install), when it's done log out of Xfce4 and then log back in. It should be using the nvidia driver when you log back in. You can verify that by running `inxi -Gxxx`.
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Re: Some scary upgrades pending

#5 Post by timkb4cq » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:11 pm

Well, the nvidia driver page says that 304.123 supports your 6150le chipset. But I'm also wary about updating nvidia drivers.

On my XFX motherboard any driver newer than 319.60 (regardless of Xorg & kernel versions) causes a hard lockup within 15 minutes. Nvidia says that my 8300 chipset is supported by the newer 304.xx and 340.xx drivers as well, but they are wrong. 319.60 is perfectly stable, nothing newer is.
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Re: Some scary upgrades pending

#6 Post by joany » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:19 pm

Thanks to both of you. I think I'll pin these packages to play it safe.
MX-14; 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae kernel using 4GB RAM
2.4GHz AMD Athlon 4600+
NVidia GeForce 6150 LE; 304.121 Display Driver
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Re: Some scary upgrades pending

#7 Post by dyfi » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:39 pm

Before attempting any doubtful upgrading always backup beforehand. Preferably imaging your system.

I acknowledge that regulars to the forum would automatically do this but thought a mention would be worthwhile to those who may rush in.

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Re: Some scary upgrades pending

#8 Post by joany » Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:08 pm

dyfi wrote:Before attempting any doubtful upgrading always backup beforehand. Preferably imaging your system.

I acknowledge that regulars to the forum would automatically do this but thought a mention would be worthwhile to those who may rush in.
That's great advice. I use imaging software to make backups fairly regularly -- I made one yesterday, in fact -- and I always do this before making any major software changes. Restoring a system from a backup image doesn't take long and isn't difficult -- I've had to do this numerous times mostly because of my own stupidity. But I still avoiding taking unnecessary risks if possible, so I'm going to pass on these upgrades.
MX-14; 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae kernel using 4GB RAM
2.4GHz AMD Athlon 4600+
NVidia GeForce 6150 LE; 304.121 Display Driver
You didn't slow down because you're old; you're old because you slowed down.

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