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Re: MX 17 Repository: The Pale Moon Browser Thread

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 2:00 pm
by giorgio3364
I did the same today, too, coming to the same conclusion, and I uninstalled Firefox. Palemoon seemed less resourceful (about 80-100mb less than Firefox) and slightly more responsive, while remaining sufficiently complete to cover all the needs of an average user. In addition it is frequently updated and, which does not hurt, even with a nice appearance.

Re: MX 17 Repository: The Pale Moon Browser Thread

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 4:08 am
by Kulmbacher
PaleMoon 27.9.1 (64) told me yesterday "NoScript is known to cause security or stability issues"
see http://blocklist.palemoon.org/info/?id=pm112

Severity level 1: You will be warned and recommended to disable this extension, but can continue to use it if you so wish after confirmation.


Using Palemoon since years, first time they told me to disable something, hmh ...

Re: MX 17 Repository: The Pale Moon Browser Thread

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 5:42 am
by Redacted
Kulmbacher wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 4:08 am
PaleMoon 27.9.1 (64) told me yesterday "NoScript is known to cause security or stability issues"
You can disable the extension blocklist in about:config.
However, be warned: At the Pale Moon forums the developer says that you absolutely shouldn't do that for security reasons.
I have done it because the warning kept popping up, and I don't want to go without NoScript.

Re: MX 17 Repository: The Pale Moon Browser Thread

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 5:46 am
by Protokol
well :
https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2018/05/11/169/ & https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2018/05/12/214/

same for me, issue with noscript extension so I disabled > extensions.blocklist.enabled;false
(i know I know, but I'll take the risk)

Re: MX 17 Repository: The Pale Moon Browser Thread

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 8:48 am
by fehlix
It appears rather a stability issue, than a security issue.
From palemoon web-site
http://blocklist.palemoon.org/info/?id=pm112
This is a Pale Moon specific blocklist entry.
Additional information:
NoScript is known to cause severe issues with a large (and growing) number of websites and stability issues in the browser itself, negatively influencing otherwise unrelated browser features.
It has known interop issues with Pale Moon and if you use this extension, it should be replaced with alternatives for a smooth and hassle-free browsing experience.

We cannot provide browser support as long as this extension is installed, due to the far-reaching issues in the browser. Use at your own peril.

Severity level 1: You will be warned and recommended to disable this extension, but can continue to use it if you so wish after confirmation.

Re: MX 17 Repository: The Pale Moon Browser Thread

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 9:15 am
by Redacted
I have seen absolutely no severe issues using PM and NS for the year or so I've been using them.
NoScript will obviously "break" pages that use scripts, that's what it's meant to do.
I fully understand not wanting to constantly give support when people don't know how to use NS, but I don't get labeling it as a security and stability issue.
Am I missing something?

Re: MX 17 Repository: The Pale Moon Browser Thread

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 10:51 am
by fehlix
Redacted wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 9:15 am
...Am I missing something?...
The palemoon guys are concerned about stability, that seems to be their man issue, IMHO.
I've long time ago switched from noscript to umatrix with palemoon (and all my other browsers I run),
which is still available for palemoon. I do feel it's superiour to noscript,
but you'll need first understand the concept of umatrix a bit as you can
fintune on resoucrece level of a web-site to build filter-rules, but YMMV.

Re: MX 17 Repository: The Pale Moon Browser Thread

Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 12:16 pm
by Redacted
fehlix wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 10:51 am
I've long time ago switched from noscript to umatrix with palemoon (and all my other browsers I run),
which is still available for palemoon. I do feel it's superiour to noscript...
Thanks for the thoughts, fehlix. I know there's a steep learning curve, but I do need to look into it.

Re: MX 17 Repository: The Pale Moon Browser Thread

Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:23 am
by linwinux
linwinux wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 8:17 am
Hi guys, not a lot of time todyay, so just a quick note (yeah right, right?) ;)

PALEMOON is the culprit. If my system runs stable without any hitches for a few days, while using nothing but FF and keeping it open (minimized) on the screen, followed by then opening Palemoon .... bamm, that weird crash thingie whatever it is, occurs. I can duplicate it without a problem and there does appear an x-screensaver message of sorts with 2 errors on the screen. As stated, I can duplicate this and so far only palemoon has been able to cause this on my machine. I took photos of the screen, just don't have time to upload them today.

No, please don't advise not to use a screensaver. If any fix on MX requires the lack of using a screensaver ... then screensavers should be removed from MX. That would be the correct solution, instead of implying that something which is used by countless millions of people, should not be used anymore. I'll be back tomorrow to post those photos. Screenshots of the full problem are impossible because every time that the mouse is clicked or a keyboard key tapped, the screen changes again ... eventually returning to normal. Happy Fathersday for all of you Dads out there (in Germany) !!! :happy:
Alright, that's it, no more Palemoon for me. For the past 3 days I had my screensaver completely disabled, not even using a black screen ... just no screensaver at all ... rebooted the system too ... and since then I've had this weird screen problem occur twice on me in the past 3 days. There'S no doubt in my mind that there's something weird going on with Palemoon. I've had this happen on a fairly new 6 core AMD machine, and I've also had this happen on a 10 year old Acer dual-core laptop. The only thing that's triggered this weird screen issue, was clicking on the Palemoon symbol in order to use the Palemoon browser. On the Acer there was no other browser open at the same time, and on my newer 6 core AMD setup I had FF already open, but minimized. The only common denominator that I can find with this issue, is starting palemoon ... :frown:

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Re: MX 17 Repository: The Pale Moon Browser Thread

Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:28 am
by linwinux
Hmm, something odd is going on with the forum attachments too. I tried attaching 4 images. The largest one was 209KB which by todays Gigabyte/Terabyte HDD standards is already itty bitty teeny tine. Two of the other images were below 200KB. After a couple of minutes, three of the images were repalced with ... no longer available ... messages. Larger images which show the entire problem on a screen are really difficult to save in lower size without losing quite a bit of image quality and many if not most people don't even know how to compress an image that small. 400KB would be really nice to have ... 10 images only being 4MB in size ...

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