Welcome!
Important information
-- Information on MX15/16 GPG Keys
-- Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities

News
-- MX Linux on social media: here
-- Mepis support still here

Current releases
-- MX-18 Final release info here
-- Migration Information to MX-18 here
-- antiX-17.3 release info here

New users
-- Please read this first, and don't forget to add system and hardware information to posts!
-- Here are the Forum Rules

dual boot mxlinux and windows 10

User avatar
nowwhat
Forum Novice
Forum  Novice
Posts: 48
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:03 pm

dual boot mxlinux and windows 10

#1

Post by nowwhat » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:32 pm

If this is way off topic, I apologize in advance....

I have obtained a new to me I7 machine and everything is working fine except windows update can't figure out if my windows machine, currently running windows 10, can run windows 10 and then the update quits. This same update keeps trying to install and fails. Other people have had luck marking the windows partition active, but my installation did not care for it and had to use the mxlinux DVD as a 'rescue' disk. Currently the linux partition is marked active and grub seems to accept that.

Does anyone know a way around the microsoft update fiasco ? I refuse to use a windows multi boot manager as I have had trouble with them in the past.

nowwhat?

User avatar
fehlix
Forum Guide
Forum Guide
Posts: 2705
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:09 pm

Re: dual boot mxlinux and windows 10

#2

Post by fehlix » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:40 pm

nowwhat wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:32 pm
I have obtained a new to me I7 machine and everything is working fine except windows update can't figure out if my windows machine, currently running windows 10, can run windows 10 and then the update quits. This same update keeps trying to install and fails. Other people have had luck marking the windows partition active, but my installation did not care for it and had to use the mxlinux DVD as a 'rescue' disk. Currently the linux partition is marked active and grub seems to accept that.
Please post Quick System Info output or alternatively
the text output of this commad from within the terminal:

Code: Select all

inxi -Fxxrz
and do also show the text output

Code: Select all

sudo lsblk -f

Code: Select all

sudo parted -l
BTW: I don't think GRUB cares much about the "active" partition flag you mentioned, that's rather a bios/windows thing.
:puppy:
Gigabyte Z77M-D3H, Intel Xeon E3-1240 V2 (Quad core), 32GB RAM,
GeForce GTX 770, Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB, Seagate Barracuda 4TB

User avatar
nowwhat
Forum Novice
Forum  Novice
Posts: 48
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:03 pm

Re: dual boot mxlinux and windows 10

#3

Post by nowwhat » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:14 pm

Hello Fehlix

Output of inx1 -Fxxrz
/home/chazz# inxi -Fxxrz
System: Host: TERRI2 Kernel: 4.15.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0
Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 tk: Gtk 2.24.31 wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM
Distro: MX-18_x64 Continuum March 14 2018 base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
Machine: Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP EliteDesk 800 G1 SFF v: N/A
serial: <filter> Chassis: type: 4 serial: <filter>
Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 1998 serial: <filter> BIOS: Hewlett-Packard
v: L01 v02.71 date: 05/09/2017
CPU: Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i7-4790 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Haswell
rev: 3 L1 cache: 256 KiB L2 cache: 8192 KiB L3 cache: 8192 KiB
flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 57466
Speed: 1696 MHz min/max: 800/4000 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1581 2: 1544 3: 1542
4: 1612 5: 1526 6: 1542 7: 1546 8: 1561
Graphics: Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics
vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:0412
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
resolution: 1680x1050~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Desktop v: 4.5 Mesa 18.2.6 compat-v: 3.0
direct render: Yes
Audio: Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio
vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:03.0
chip ID: 8086:0c0c
Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 chip ID: 8086:8c20
Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.15.0-1-amd64
Network: Device-1: Intel Ethernet I217-LM vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k
port: f080 bus ID: 00:19.0 chip ID: 8086:153a
IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives: Local Storage: total: 1.82 TiB used: 41.46 GiB (2.2%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: HGST (Hitachi) model: HUS726020ALA614 size: 1.82 TiB
speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> temp: 21 C
Partition: ID-1: / size: 482.86 GiB used: 41.46 GiB (8.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8 C mobo: 27.8 C
Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
Repos: Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
1: deb http://la.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-earth-pro.list
1: deb http://dl.google.com/linux/earth/deb/ stable main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
1: deb http://la.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/teamviewer.list
1: deb http://linux.teamviewer.com/deb stable main
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list
Info: Processes: 232 Uptime: 3m Memory: 7.69 GiB used: 673.9 MiB (8.6%) Init: SysVinit
v: 2.88 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 alt: 6 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12
running in: xfce4-terminal inxi: 3.0.29

Output of lsblk -f

NAME FSTYPE LABEL UUID MOUNTPOINT
sda
├─sda1 ntfs System E63AE53C3AE50A7F
├─sda2 ntfs Windows 7E42E73C42E6F7B3
├─sda3 ext4 rootMX17 5bdc1988-d6b7-4999-a2a5-e71c024696fe /
└─sda4 ntfs Recovery image 64F0E85CF0E835C8
sr0

Output of parted -l
Model: ATA HGST HUS726020AL (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 2000GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos
Disk Flags:

Number Start End Size Type File system Flags
1 1049kB 368MB 367MB primary ntfs
2 368MB 1457GB 1456GB primary ntfs
3 1457GB 1985GB 528GB primary ext4 boot
4 1985GB 2000GB 15.7GB primary ntfs diag

Have you any ideas ?

Now what ?

User avatar
fehlix
Forum Guide
Forum Guide
Posts: 2705
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:09 pm

Re: dual boot mxlinux and windows 10

#4

Post by fehlix » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:29 pm

Please do wrap the text-output into code-tags [code] text-output goes here[/code].
Do edit your post , mark/highlight the text-output and click the code-tag button </> above the editor window
Thanks
Gigabyte Z77M-D3H, Intel Xeon E3-1240 V2 (Quad core), 32GB RAM,
GeForce GTX 770, Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB, Seagate Barracuda 4TB

User avatar
nowwhat
Forum Novice
Forum  Novice
Posts: 48
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:03 pm

Re: dual boot mxlinux and windows 10

#5

Post by nowwhat » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:30 pm

fehlix wrote: Please do wrap the text-output into code-tags

Code: Select all

 text-output goes here
.
Do edit your post , mark/highlight the text-output and click the code-tag button </> above the editor window
Thanks

Code: Select all

System: Host: TERRI2 Kernel: 4.15.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0
Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 tk: Gtk 2.24.31 wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM
Distro: MX-18_x64 Continuum March 14 2018 base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
Machine: Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP EliteDesk 800 G1 SFF v: N/A
serial: <filter> Chassis: type: 4 serial: <filter>
Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 1998 serial: <filter> BIOS: Hewlett-Packard
v: L01 v02.71 date: 05/09/2017
CPU: Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i7-4790 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Haswell
rev: 3 L1 cache: 256 KiB L2 cache: 8192 KiB L3 cache: 8192 KiB
flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 57466
Speed: 1696 MHz min/max: 800/4000 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1581 2: 1544 3: 1542
4: 1612 5: 1526 6: 1542 7: 1546 8: 1561
Graphics: Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics
vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:0412
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
resolution: 1680x1050~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Desktop v: 4.5 Mesa 18.2.6 compat-v: 3.0
direct render: Yes
Audio: Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio
vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:03.0
chip ID: 8086:0c0c
Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 chip ID: 8086:8c20
Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.15.0-1-amd64
Network: Device-1: Intel Ethernet I217-LM vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k
port: f080 bus ID: 00:19.0 chip ID: 8086:153a
IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives: Local Storage: total: 1.82 TiB used: 41.46 GiB (2.2%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: HGST (Hitachi) model: HUS726020ALA614 size: 1.82 TiB
speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> temp: 21 C
Partition: ID-1: / size: 482.86 GiB used: 41.46 GiB (8.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8 C mobo: 27.8 C
Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
Repos: Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
1: deb http://la.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-earth-pro.list
1: deb http://dl.google.com/linux/earth/deb/ stable main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
1: deb http://la.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/teamviewer.list
1: deb http://linux.teamviewer.com/deb stable main
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list
Info: Processes: 232 Uptime: 3m Memory: 7.69 GiB used: 673.9 MiB (8.6%) Init: SysVinit
v: 2.88 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 alt: 6 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12
running in: xfce4-terminal inxi: 3.0.29 

Code: Select all

NAME FSTYPE LABEL UUID MOUNTPOINT
sda
├─sda1 ntfs System E63AE53C3AE50A7F
├─sda2 ntfs Windows 7E42E73C42E6F7B3
├─sda3 ext4 rootMX17 5bdc1988-d6b7-4999-a2a5-e71c024696fe /
└─sda4 ntfs Recovery image 64F0E85CF0E835C8
sr0
finally

Code: Select all

Model: ATA HGST HUS726020AL (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 2000GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos
Disk Flags:

Number Start End Size Type File system Flags
1 1049kB 368MB 367MB primary ntfs
2 368MB 1457GB 1456GB primary ntfs
3 1457GB 1985GB 528GB primary ext4 boot
4 1985GB 2000GB 15.7GB primary ntfs diag 

User avatar
fehlix
Forum Guide
Forum Guide
Posts: 2705
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:09 pm

Re: dual boot mxlinux and windows 10

#6

Post by fehlix » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:48 am

nowwhat wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:32 pm
I have obtained a new to me I7 machine and everything is working fine except windows update can't figure out if my windows machine, currently running windows 10, can run windows 10 and then the update quits. This same update keeps trying to install and fails. Other people have had luck marking the windows partition active, but my installation did not care for it and had to use the mxlinux DVD as a 'rescue' disk. Currently the linux partition is marked active and grub seems to accept that.
Not clear for me, is how do you boot into MX-Linux?
Have you GRUB installed in the MBR of sda? And you are booting into MX or win using that grub?
Please explore this "and had to use the mxlinux DVD as a 'rescue' disk." In what cases you have to use the MX DVD as a rescue disk?
BTW: the boot-flag is not used by grub, it's only a flag needed by some BIOS's, as some of the BIOS's refuse
to boot from a drive without a partition marked as boot. So it's save to mark /dev/sda1 with the boot-flag.
Gigabyte Z77M-D3H, Intel Xeon E3-1240 V2 (Quad core), 32GB RAM,
GeForce GTX 770, Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB, Seagate Barracuda 4TB

User avatar
Paul..
Forum Guide
Forum Guide
Posts: 2410
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:34 pm

Re: dual boot mxlinux and windows 10

#7

Post by Paul.. » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:49 am

I also have a few questions:

Since you have a fairly contemporary motherboard (2017), it likely supports both newer UEFI and traditional BIOS. How is that set up? Looks like you are going with traditional BIOS. Was that chosen by default, or did you have a reason to stick with BIOS?

You might want to read the Wiki entry on UEFI...In particular, the section on Linux + Windows 10 ...https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/uefi#Li ... ndows%2010

See which approach you want to take going forward. For example, I see that you are using the older MBR partition scheme on your HDD, instead of the newer GPT partitioning. Windows 10 usually defaults to using GPT partitioning. Did someone else install Win 10 using MBR partitioning?

If you tell us the history of the machine and your intent, we will be better able to help you.

Asus Prime X470-Pro | AMD Ryzen 5 1400 (8 threads)
16 Gig DDR4 3000 | nVidia - GeForce GTX 750 Ti
Samsung 970 NVMe SSD | 860 500GB SSD

User avatar
j2mcgreg
Forum Regular
Forum Regular
Posts: 444
Joined: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:04 pm

Re: dual boot mxlinux and windows 10

#8

Post by j2mcgreg » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:22 am

What is the exact error message you get when Win 10 update fails?
Acer Aspire 3 A315-41-R2W5, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Radeon Vega Mobile Graphics, 8 GB ram, 1000 TB hdd

User avatar
nowwhat
Forum Novice
Forum  Novice
Posts: 48
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:03 pm

Re: dual boot mxlinux and windows 10

#9

Post by nowwhat » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:55 pm

[/quote = "Paul"]

Since you have a fairly contemporary motherboard (2017), it likely supports both newer UEFI and traditional BIOS. How is that set up? Looks like you are going with traditional BIOS. Was that chosen by default, or did you have a reason to stick with BIOS?

You might want to read the Wiki entry on UEFI...In particular, the section on Linux + Windows 10 ...https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/uefi#Li ... ndows%2010

See which approach you want to take going forward. For example, I see that you are using the older MBR partition scheme on your HDD, instead of the newer GPT partitioning. Windows 10 usually defaults to using GPT partitioning. Did someone else install Win 10 using MBR partitioning?
[/quote]

As far as I know I am using traditional bios at least that's the way the machine came from the vendor. I shall read up on UEFI. The only thing I did was activate windows so yes, the decision was made before I got the machine.

[/quote = "Fehlix"]
Not clear for me, is how do you boot into MX-Linux?
Have you GRUB installed in the MBR of sda? And you are booting into MX or win using that grub?
Please explore this "and had to use the mxlinux DVD as a 'rescue' disk." In what cases you have to use the MX DVD as a rescue disk?
BTW: the boot-flag is not used by grub, it's only a flag needed by some BIOS's, as some of the BIOS's refuse
to boot from a drive without a partition marked as boot. So it's save to mark /dev/sda1 with the boot-flag. [/quote]

To boot into linux or windows I am using grub installed in the MBR of sda. I had to use mx dvd when i booted into a dark screen after changing the boot flag to the windows partition. Strange but true. Marking the windows partition as boot was a trick many used to make a multiboot system update windows 10.

Nowwhat

User avatar
nowwhat
Forum Novice
Forum  Novice
Posts: 48
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:03 pm

Re: dual boot mxlinux and windows 10

#10

Post by nowwhat » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:22 am

j2mcgreg wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:22 am
What is the exact error message you get when Win 10 update fails?
Tonight's update for windows cumulative update 12 simply said "we couldn't complete the updates undoing changes don't turn off your computer"

I may attempt to change the computer bios to uefi and disk management to cpt when I read up on it a little more.

Thanks to all who have reseponded

Post Reply

Return to “Software / Configuration”