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Gnome keyring bother and managing Services

#1 Post by boombaby » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:08 am


Hello, Any...

After running MX-17.1 for a month or so without issues now I keep getting the Gnome Keyring thingy popping up when I start browser, then two more poppups as I connect to a website on the Internet. (To avoid using the keyring I just cancel each poppup.)

I do not know which program or setting (change) is responsible for initiating the poppup activity.

What I can say is that a change might have commenced a week or so after I switched over from the xfce desktop to using MATE desktop.


Today, in Control Centre, I used the "Startup Applications" to switch OFF the related Gnome keyring services. Here is the Screenshot of the final settings.

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Then I rebooted (as a formality to confirm the "startup" aspect).

However when opening the browser the Gnome Keyring thingy popped up again.

Q.1. So why did turning OFF the settings not work?


Having worked with Mageia linux for quite a while I know there is a fantastic GUI tool (in their
Control Panel) to independently turn ON/OFF any service that is available.

When I looked for something similar in MX there does not appear to be such a GUI facility.

Q.2. Is there a GUI facility for managing the Services similarly?



I notice that in the Control Panel (within the MATE desktop) there is a KDE System Settings panel.

Q.3. Since MATE is based on Gnome can I use that KDE panel? Does it still function properly for MATE purposes?


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Re: Gnome keyring bother and managing Services

#2 Post by Eadwine Rose » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:36 am

What did it for me was when the popup comes to just hit enter. Not cancel, but leave empty and press enter.

There is some info about this somewhere on the forums if you search on gnome keyring.
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Re: Gnome keyring bother and managing Services

#3 Post by Jerry3904 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:49 am

Also in the Users Manual

Alt-F1
Ctrl-F
keyring
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#4 Post by boombaby » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:52 pm


I'm not sure you've got the jist.

Yes; I read the Manual as in Menu > Applications > System Tools > MX Manual. I had also previously read posts about the Keyring, and now a post or two in the MX Forum.


The Gnome keyring poppup is requesting a setup of a default keyring. I don't want that. If I hit ENTER then I am setting up a default keyring with a blank password - and I don't want that. Also, I don't want the poppup to be "activated" at all either, and that's why I turned the related services OFF in the Startup Applications panel - which didn't fix it.

So, at the risk of being labelled whatever herein I need to repeat that part of my post that still remains relevant or unanswered so that someone might respond to what I am asking. Note, also, the 3 questions included therein.
Hello, Any...

After running MX-17.1 for a month or so without issues now I keep getting the Gnome Keyring thingy popping up when I start browser, then two more poppups as I connect to a website on the Internet. (To avoid using the keyring I just cancel each poppup.)

I do not know which program or setting (change) is responsible for initiating the poppup activity.

What I can say is that a change might have commenced a week or so after I switched over from the xfce desktop to using MATE desktop.


Today, in Control Centre, I used the "Startup Applications" to switch OFF the related Gnome keyring services. Here is the Screenshot of the final settings.

(Image remains in original post.)

Then I rebooted (as a formality to confirm the "startup" aspect).

However when opening the browser the Gnome Keyring thingy popped up again.

Q.1. So why did turning OFF the settings not work?


Having worked with Mageia linux for quite a while I know there is a fantastic GUI tool (in their
Control Panel) to independently turn ON/OFF any service that is available.

When I looked for something similar in MX there does not appear to be such a GUI facility.

Q.2. Is there a GUI facility for managing the Services similarly?



I notice that in the Control Panel (within the MATE desktop) there is a KDE System Settings panel.

Q.3. Since MATE is based on Gnome can I use that KDE panel? Does it still function properly for MATE purposes?


Regards,
boombaby

Regards,
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Re: Gnome keyring bother and managing Services

#5 Post by Eadwine Rose » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:05 pm

I had to press enter and create the keyring to get rid of the annoying thing. That was only one enter and from then on there were never any nagging screens anymore. So.. basically: why care if there is a keyring without a password? No one ever hacked my system or invaded it any other way, so.. *shrug*

I only had this issue with Skype though, nothing else in my list of software required it, so.. could be different there.
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Re: Gnome keyring bother and managing Services

#6 Post by Jerry3904 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:08 pm

Nobody is labeling you anything, just trying to understand your long post and complicated situation. Sorry if our solution didn't match your needs.

You're asking about a mixture of MX, MATE and KDE, and we don't have a lot of experience with such a stew.
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Re: Gnome keyring bother and managing Services

#7 Post by boombaby » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:27 pm

"Stew"? (A gnome stew? A mate stew? He he.)

Can you answer any of the 3 questions? That would be a start. They are not "complex". At least, I don't think so, are they? (Oops, another question.)

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#8 Post by Jerry3904 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:40 pm

Q1: stew question, no clue
Q2: here's what the Manual says:
If you later want to change or adjust the startup services you have two choices.
• a command-line tool called sysv-rc-conf is installed by default and must be run as root.
• a graphical tool called Boot-Up Manager (BUM) can be installed from the repos.
Q3: stew question, no clue

Others may well have more to say on 1 and 3
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Re: Gnome keyring bother and managing Services

#9 Post by boombaby » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:55 pm


Well, Stewie

Thanks for the tip on Q.2 directing me to the right place in the Manual. I guess pulling that tooth out didn't hurt too much, did it?

As far as your advice on Q.1 and Q.3 I'm not so sure I can work with those answers. Pretty aggressive waste of time though, wasn't it?

Still waiting if someone would like to contribute.

P.S.
As MX is about to slide up the list a bit further, and is about to pass it's Mother (Father?) - Debian - it might be worthwhile remembering that being a bit more generous and explanatory with answers will move MX up the list even faster, and keep it at the top a bit longer, or even permanently.

Still with Regards,
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Re: Gnome keyring bother and managing Services

#10 Post by richb » Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:17 pm

Your question was posted this morning. We are a collection of users and volunteers. Not everyone has all the answers and try to help as best they can. Most have regular jobs and are not always logged in to the forum. Give it some time and others will chime in perhaps including the primary developers and users with other experience.
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