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To systemd or not systemd - Ever wonder about it?
Re: To systemd or not systemd - Ever wonder about it?
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Re: To systemd or not systemd - Ever wonder about it?
systemd is a ball of crap.
I currently have about 3 staple linux sysadmin related issues of software I used for years and rely on suddenly wont install etc.
I really like MX, but next OS install I am running as far a way from it as possible due to this.
I have for example Samba that fails to work on MX due to this etc.
Systemd will eventually bring a lot of linux down or make it very impalatable.
I dont mind new, but not this kind of irresponsible "systemd"new.
Since installing MX it has been 1/2 a year of battling software that were stalwarts for decades.
Unacceptable and maybe worse .... irresponsible and undermining linux at its core abandoning init etc.
I currently have about 3 staple linux sysadmin related issues of software I used for years and rely on suddenly wont install etc.
I really like MX, but next OS install I am running as far a way from it as possible due to this.
I have for example Samba that fails to work on MX due to this etc.
Systemd will eventually bring a lot of linux down or make it very impalatable.
I dont mind new, but not this kind of irresponsible "systemd"new.
Since installing MX it has been 1/2 a year of battling software that were stalwarts for decades.
Unacceptable and maybe worse .... irresponsible and undermining linux at its core abandoning init etc.
Re: To systemd or not systemd - Ever wonder about it?
You do know MX is a sysvinit system, not systemd unless you choose the advanced option in the boot menu.
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Re: To systemd or not systemd - Ever wonder about it?
I'm sorry, but this is all FUD.zimbodel wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:35 pm systemd is a ball of crap.
I currently have about 3 staple linux sysadmin related issues of software I used for years and rely on suddenly wont install etc.
I really like MX, but next OS install I am running as far a way from it as possible due to this.
I have for example Samba that fails to work on MX due to this etc.
Systemd will eventually bring a lot of linux down or make it very impalatable.
I dont mind new, but not this kind of irresponsible "systemd"new.
Since installing MX it has been 1/2 a year of battling software that were stalwarts for decades.
Unacceptable and maybe worse .... irresponsible and undermining linux at its core abandoning init etc.
Production: 5.10, MX-23 Xfce, AMD FX-4130 Quad-Core, GeForce GT 630/PCIe/SSE2, 16 GB, SSD 120 GB, Data 1TB
Personal: Lenovo X1 Carbon with MX-23 Fluxbox and Windows 10
Other: Raspberry Pi 5 with MX-23 Xfce Raspberry Pi Respin
Personal: Lenovo X1 Carbon with MX-23 Fluxbox and Windows 10
Other: Raspberry Pi 5 with MX-23 Xfce Raspberry Pi Respin
Re: To systemd or not systemd - Ever wonder about it?
A good article for those like me, that prefer Debian based systems but get caught up in Systemd problems.
Basically Debian Fork without systemd. That is the way I am going in the future with all my servers.
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/debian-wi ... md-devuan/
Basically Debian Fork without systemd. That is the way I am going in the future with all my servers.
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/debian-wi ... md-devuan/
Re: To systemd or not systemd - Ever wonder about it?
Then why the hell is it running on my MX18 out of the box.
I will be VERY glad to get rid of systemd.
I tried to uninstsll systemd and it brought the entire MX18 installation down.
So howcome an uninstall brings down Mx18, if according to you MX18 do not use it.
Talk about misinformation.
[/quote]I'm sorry, but this is all FUD.
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I will be VERY glad to get rid of systemd.
I tried to uninstsll systemd and it brought the entire MX18 installation down.
So howcome an uninstall brings down Mx18, if according to you MX18 do not use it.
Talk about misinformation.
[/quote]I'm sorry, but this is all FUD.
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Re: To systemd or not systemd - Ever wonder about it?
Maybe you should read a bit about MX Linux on this question. Here's a good start:
https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/systemd/
https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/systemd/
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Re: To systemd or not systemd - Ever wonder about it?
Since MX Linux doesn''t use Systemd as init the main problem with Systemd is packages that rely on it. MX Linux tries to solve it with Debian packages like CUPS. But then there are third party packages like Snap and Snap packages that rely on Systemd. Several VPN applications and other applications also seem to rely on Systemd.zimbodel wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:28 pm A good article for those like me, that prefer Debian based systems but get caught up in Systemd problems.
Basically Debian Fork without systemd. That is the way I am going in the future with all my servers.
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/debian-wi ... md-devuan/
Devuan may have a base system that is free from Systemd (just like antiX), but as soon as you add stuff outside of those repos you may run into problems.
Systemd is like the new Pulseaudio. Firefox and other applications rely on Pulseaudio so if you don't use Pulseaudio expect sound problems with certain applications.
Then on the horizon is Wayland. Gnome and KDE (Kwin) don't develop X.org (X server) specific features anymore and new stuff is targeting Wayland.
So if you like "classic Linux" like myself you are going to be more of a "niche user" in the future. Doesn't matter if you use Devuan. Devuan doesn't have more packages than Debian. But for servers you probably don't need more packages anyway so Devuan might be a good choice for a Systemd free server.
For a desktop system like MX Linux it's pretty cool (and future-proof) that you can choose your init. I don't know of any other distro that lets you do this out of the box. It's a feature.
Re: To systemd or not systemd - Ever wonder about it?
Using systemd with MX can only happen by choice.
The default is sysvinit.
And, if you choose systemd then you are running an untested system, not MX18.
Devs may try to support you, but it is not the interest.
MX18 is designed to avoid systemd init.
If you don't want to see systemd in the system,
you'll have to go back to Devuan to help them catch up, or BSD.
The default is sysvinit.
And, if you choose systemd then you are running an untested system, not MX18.
Devs may try to support you, but it is not the interest.
MX18 is designed to avoid systemd init.
If you don't want to see systemd in the system,
you'll have to go back to Devuan to help them catch up, or BSD.
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Re: To systemd or not systemd - Ever wonder about it?
Well said, dreamer!
zimbodel, many of us posting here are well aware of Devuan, thankyouverymuch.
Evident from your posts, you (seriously) have a few points of misunderstanding regarding cause and effect, and whatall is going on "behind the scenes, under the hood" of the operating system.
~ skidoo, aka "kriv", one of the https://without-systemd.org wiki maintainers
zimbodel, many of us posting here are well aware of Devuan, thankyouverymuch.
Evident from your posts, you (seriously) have a few points of misunderstanding regarding cause and effect, and whatall is going on "behind the scenes, under the hood" of the operating system.
~ skidoo, aka "kriv", one of the https://without-systemd.org wiki maintainers
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