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12.5" Display: 1366x768 vs 1920x1080?

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12.5" Display: 1366x768 vs 1920x1080?

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Post by Antediluvian » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:55 pm

My current laptop has a screen that is 12.5" 1366 x 768 HD (720p). It is not IPS. I have a chance to buy an almost identical laptop (with a better touchpad) that has a screen 12.5" 1920 x 1080 full HD (1080p) IPS.

Can MX scale the fonts and icons up and maintain sharpness if I find the higher resolution too small for my old eyes?
If MX 18 doesn't do that too well will MX 19 do a better job?
Do you think the laptop with the full HD screen is worth a $50 difference?

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Re: 12.5" Display: 1366x768 vs 1920x1080?

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Post by JayM » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:08 am

My experience with hidpi laptops was with an Acer Zenbook with 3200x1800 native (default) resolution on a 13.3 inch screen, running Linux Mint with the Cinnamon DE. Everything was way too tiny for my own aged eyes, though very clear and sharp due to the high pixels-per-inch. I had to drop the resolution down to 1920x1080 to get my menus and icons big enough to use, plus set all my fonts larger, not just in Cinnamon but also in QT and GTK apps.

If the 1080p display on that other laptop is nice and crisp and sharp I would say to consider getting it, but of course that also depends on what you plan to do on the laptop. If you watch a lot of movies and videos, most of those are going to be 1080p which is that laptop's native resolution so they'll look better and there won't be a lot of cropping as there might be when watching them on a lower-resolution display.

The MX Wiki has a page about how to set up MX for a hidpi display so fonts and things won't be too small to see. I suggest you look it over before making up your mind, so you'll have a feel for what you'll have to do to configure MX for that display.

One tip: the Gnome Tweak Tool is available from the MX repos. This allows you to increase the font size in GTK apps. There's also a QT5 Settings tool that lets you do the same for some QT apps. If you run any Java apps you may be out of luck making those bigger unless the apps themselves allow you to set the font size in their configuration settings or options.

Another tip: In Firefox and other Mozilla-based browsers, in about:config search for layout.css.dpi. You can change this to increase the fonts within the browser, after restarting Firefox. Also View/Zoom (or alt +) in the browser will be your friend.
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Re: 12.5" Display: 1366x768 vs 1920x1080?

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Post by Antediluvian » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:04 am

Thanks, JayM. Sounds like the 1920x1080 would work out pretty well. I also wonder how much difference an IPS screen makes.

I should have said that my laptop is mainly used for internet browsing, email, and videos. So not too much configuration, I hope. Other work is done on the desktop computer.

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Post by chrispop99 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:11 am

I have also tried MX 18 on a 3,200 x 1,800 13" screen, and it's unusable without making a number of adjustments. Even then it's not perfect.

My 73 years old eyes would not have a problem with a small screen @ 1,920 x 1,080; I would tweak font sizes, and it would be fine. Whether the extra cost is justified depends to some degree what you use the machine for, and if you are unhappy with the present display.

A newer version of Xfce is hopefully going to be released this year (three years after the last one!). That includes the option to scale x2. (Which might actually be too much for your proposed purchase.) The new Xfce version might make it into MX-19, so perhaps would be worth waiting for.

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Re: 12.5" Display: 1366x768 vs 1920x1080?

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Post by BitJam » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:17 pm

Antediluvian wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:04 am
Thanks, JayM. Sounds like the 1920x1080 would work out pretty well. I also wonder how much difference an IPS screen makes.
IPS has very wide viewing angles which I find to be a great feature. For example, if you ever want two people to see the screen or watch a movie then IPS is the way to go. I doubt I would buy a laptop without IPS now.
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Re: 12.5" Display: 1366x768 vs 1920x1080?

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Post by NGIB » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:47 pm

I just got a new (used) Thinkpad T440s with a 1920 x 1080 IPS (14") display. Great screen but it takes some tweaking for my old eyes to use it. I increase the font size, the DPI, and add a default zoom to the browser (Palemoon). it's not a comfortable to my eyes as a 1366 x 768 screen but the quality is much better...
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Re: 12.5" Display: 1366x768 vs 1920x1080?

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Post by rs55 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:45 pm

I have a couple of thinkpad x230s. 12.5 inch displays ( 1366x768). I actually think that from a resolution viewpoint, this pixel density is just about right for this laptop - because I typically view it from about 2 feet away. Any higher pixel density is simply using more cpu power for very little return.
As far as IPS screens - I think they are worth it - far better color and viewing angles. I actually bought an IPS screen for one of the laptops to replace the regular screen - and it was a significant improvement. Blacks are black ( not grey).

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Re: 12.5" Display: 1366x768 vs 1920x1080?

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Post by rs55 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:07 pm

https://www.designcompaniesranked.com/r ... is-retina/

Using the old Pythagoras theorem ( ya know - the squaw on the hippopotamus is equal to the sum of the squaws on the other two hides) 1366 X 768 = 1567 pixels diagonaly.
Divide by the screen diagonal 12.5 inches gives you about 125 pixels per inch
If you have perfect vision ( haha!) you can resolve this at 27 inches away. In other words at 27 inches away you wont get much benefit from higher resolution . So the original screen on the old thinkpad X220/230 etc were just perfect. At about 2 feet away they were just about optimal.
More pixel density than that eats CPU for no real benefit .
In other words - 2011 technology rules! Everything since then has been marketing spin, overkill, and bloat at the expense of everything that matters !

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Re: 12.5" Display: 1366x768 vs 1920x1080?

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Post by JayM » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:13 pm

BitJam wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:17 pm
Antediluvian wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:04 am
Thanks, JayM. Sounds like the 1920x1080 would work out pretty well. I also wonder how much difference an IPS screen makes.
IPS has very wide viewing angles which I find to be a great feature. For example, if you ever want two people to see the screen or watch a movie then IPS is the way to go. I doubt I would buy a laptop without IPS now.
I remember when a narrow viewing angle on laptop screens was advertised as a security feature. People nearby couldn't casually spy on what you were doing.
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Re: 12.5" Display: 1366x768 vs 1920x1080?

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Post by rs55 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:23 pm

JayM wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:13 pm
BitJam wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:17 pm
Antediluvian wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:04 am
Thanks, JayM. Sounds like the 1920x1080 would work out pretty well. I also wonder how much difference an IPS screen makes.
IPS has very wide viewing angles which I find to be a great feature. For example, if you ever want two people to see the screen or watch a movie then IPS is the way to go. I doubt I would buy a laptop without IPS now.
I remember when a narrow viewing angle on laptop screens was advertised as a security feature. People nearby couldn't casually spy on what you were doing.
Actually, I found it annoying to have the screen change every time I reached for my beer or adjusted myself on my chair. Thats how bad the non-IPS displays were. Moreover , its not just the viewing angle, its the colors. Blacks are really blacl on the IPS, kind os a washed out grey on the non-IPS.
You can tell Iam a fan of the IPS displays!

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