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Apple MBP keyboard problem - deal breaker

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Apple MBP keyboard problem - deal breaker

#1 Postby Jamesthedisciple » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:28 pm

Greetings,
I have a macbook pro (5,5 late 2009) on which MX-17 is running really well except for the (UK) keyboard.
The problems I´m having are:
1. ¨ & ´ require a double push - infuriating
2. Hash # is missing, normally ¨alt + 4¨ on OSX and ¨left-alt +4¨ on linux

I´ve tried all the variation in the keyboard setting to no avail. It used to be fine in older versions of linux so something must have changed.
Any help in fixing this I would be v. grateful
If you need any info please ask :)
Update: this is a deal breaker - even if you can point me in the right direction to look..
Thanks in advanced
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Re: Apple MBP keyboard problem - deal breaker

#2 Postby Jamesthedisciple » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:51 pm

Anyone?
Just point me in the right direction...
Please
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Re: Apple MBP keyboard problem - deal breaker

#3 Postby bwhawk » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:38 am

I had a keyboard problem where I Alt-Shift-Tab wouldn't cycle through the windows in reverse. Alt-Tab by itself worked as expected. I finally tracked the problem down to the file /etc/default/keyboard. I had to delete grp:alt_shift_toggle on the XKBOPTIONS line. And then I had to restart the PC; logging out and back in wasn't enough. It's explained in more detail on the man page for 'keyboard'.

Your problem is obviously different, but you may want to check the file for anything unusual.

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Re: Apple MBP keyboard problem - deal breaker

#4 Postby Jamesthedisciple » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:58 pm

Thanks for your suggestion.
I´ve been playing with xmodmap with some success.
Some keys are sill not working as expected!
I´ll post a full .xmodmap when I´ve got is sorted to similar as apple use it
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Re: Apple MBP keyboard problem - deal breaker

#5 Postby Richard » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:03 pm

Your final statement in your original post, "Update: this is a deal breaker - even if you can point me in the right direction to look.." indicates that we would be wasting our time and yours trying to help you?
Is that correct or am I misreading you?

If you really want to find how, post the following info in a pair of code boxes:

Code: Select all

 inxi -Fxpdlop

What languages do you have installed?
Which keyboards?
What are the combinations that you need to work?
What specifically have you tried?

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Richard.
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Re: Apple MBP keyboard problem - deal breaker

#6 Postby Jamesthedisciple » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:12 am

Richard,
Not at all. I was probably getting a little impatient (apologies).
My thinking was that if there wasn't a specific solution, then maybe someone had had something similar and point me in the direction that they found a solution.
I'm going to do a clean install as it isn't booting - hanging on rsyslogd and kernel timeouts
Thank you for your offer of assistance
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Re: Apple MBP keyboard problem - deal breaker

#7 Postby Richard » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:30 am

Searching for "macbook pro 5,5 late 2009 UK keyboard problem"
returns these possibilities:
https://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions ... em-523581/

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7042172

https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/928 ... acBook+Pro

Hope that helps.
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Re: Apple MBP keyboard problem - deal breaker

#8 Postby Jamesthedisciple » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:38 pm

Thank you Richard.
The problem is not with the keyboard itself as it works fine with OSX. It's with the keymap and the way Linux implements it.
I can install an old version of Debian or simpymepis and there'll be a keyboard layout for Apple laptops from different countries. I'm using a UK variant which has the £ sign as a 'shift + 3' and a $ sign as 'shift + 4'. The # sign on a uk keyboard is normally next to the return, on a macbook it is achieved with 'alt + 4', which in an old Linux is there and works. But as the way the keyboard now works has changed, and it isn't there. Hence this inquiry.
I have found an old .xmodmap for a macbook which I can modify and I have had some success. I will keep on this path for the time being.
As it is, I've had to reinstall MX17 due to disc-file corruption (not booting) and I haven't had time to do a full check.
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Re: Apple MBP keyboard problem - deal breaker

#9 Postby Richard » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:35 pm

You've obviously been dealing with this problem for a while now.
I've only every needed EN and ES, both very common, although there's always something.

Perhaps more for my own understanding, I've been looking at modprobe for setting up specifics.
Although I've usually only seen xmod mentioned, it seems that xkb might be more flexible and powerful. I dealt with keymapping many years ago on CP/M and DOS before more modern tools were available, at least to my knowledge at the time.

Here are some thoughts:
https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.5/doc/ ... onfig.html
This might offer more insight into making your keyboards do what you wish of them.
Changing keyboards with different mappings is a bit of a pain.

https://unix.stackexchange.com/question ... -keyboards

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/20906

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ex ... board_keys

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppleKeyboard

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xmodmap

And perhaps you've already been through these. As you mentioned, you have an almost working setup.
Sometimes, "Adequate is good enough", as Adam Osbourne once claimed.
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Re: Apple MBP keyboard problem - deal breaker

#10 Postby Richard » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:03 am

Only one last comment.
Have you tried xkeycaps?
https://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps/man.html
Promises to allow modifying keymaps.
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