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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#41 Post by HessenZone » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:07 am

I think you're letting your fears of the unknown combined with the use of totally insecure and outdated products lead to making poor choices. As stated, unless you change the physical Windows System files, absolutely nothing can and will happen to anything, just by bouncing in and out of your Windows partitions while using Linux. The files that you created by yourself with other software, files such as Word, Exel, Text, PDF, AVI, MKV, MP4, MP3, jpeg, jpg, gif, png, ODT, etc. etc. etc. simply don't care what you do with them or where they're placed. And Linux is also far more "power outage" friendly than any other Operating System too. Our Livingroom Computer on which we watch absolutely everything, has a stuck reset button. So every evening before we sit down to watch TV, we power off and then on again with a hard reset (holding the power button until shut-off), we've been doing this every day for months without any problems.

Obviously, based on your own text, you don't actually *NEED* WindowsXP for anything. So just get rid of that insecure, unstable software and switch to Linux only. Dump all of your personal files onto your second drive as a backup, while you have Linux running. Then re-install MX Linux, this time letting the installation know that you want to choose the entire drive ... the one with XP on it. The instalaltion process will wipe everything on that drive out and you'll be working with a clean installation of MX Linux permanently. Now you have one drive for your OS and all of your working files ... which can now be moved back to the original drive, and you'll have that second drive to use as nothing but a backup.
That's IMO the best way to go.

You use GIMP ??? Good for you, so do I. So Gimp will take care of all of your image files. VLC and/or SMPlayer will take care of all of your listening/watching Video files. LibreOffice will take care of all of your Office related files, regardless if from Microsoft Office, OpenOffice, or LibreOffice. For video editing, you can use OpenShot. If you really like Chrome (I don't), then install either Chromium or Vivaldi. Vivaldi happens to be my favorite browser. Both of them, Vivaldi & Chromium, use the Chrome App Store for extensions and such. So any of your favorite chrome extensions will also be available for Chromium & Vivaldi. Now you're all set, without any concerns about security issues with that massively outdated Windows XP.
Cheers ... :happy:
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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#42 Post by devva231 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:37 pm

sunrat wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:20 pm
I hope you don't connect to the internet with XP. It's way past it's use-by date and has no security support and many security holes. It is a botnet's dream come true.
As I think I may of already mentioned, I have been using XP Pro for maybe six months now, at least six hours a day (every day) on the internet, and I go everywhere (well everywhere the CA censors have not blockaded), including porn sites. The only negative impact has been 3 or 4 PUPs, which I likely picked up downloading software from MajorGeeks, Softpedia, etc., otherwise problem free. So all the doomsayers dire warnings about XP Pro being such an easy target has failed to be proven to me, and I think after six months of intense internet foraging, I should of been hit by more than 3 or 4 PUPs. When actual malware is found on my PC I may revise my opinion, but until then, I'm thinking my OS is much more the hard target than most want to believe.

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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#43 Post by devva231 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:23 am

HessenZone wrote:
Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:07 am
I think you're letting your fears of the unknown combined with the use of totally insecure and outdated products lead to making poor choices. As stated, unless you change the physical Windows System files, absolutely nothing can and will happen to anything, just by bouncing in and out of your Windows partitions while using Linux. The files that you created by yourself with other software, files such as Word, Exel, Text, PDF, AVI, MKV, MP4, MP3, jpeg, jpg, gif, png, ODT, etc. etc. etc. simply don't care what you do with them or where they're placed. And Linux is also far more "power outage" friendly than any other Operating System too. Our Livingroom Computer on which we watch absolutely everything, has a stuck reset button. So every evening before we sit down to watch TV, we power off and then on again with a hard reset (holding the power button until shut-off), we've been doing this every day for months without any problems.

Obviously, based on your own text, you don't actually *NEED* WindowsXP for anything. So just get rid of that insecure, unstable software and switch to Linux only. Dump all of your personal files onto your second drive as a backup, while you have Linux running. Then re-install MX Linux, this time letting the installation know that you want to choose the entire drive ... the one with XP on it. The instalaltion process will wipe everything on that drive out and you'll be working with a clean installation of MX Linux permanently. Now you have one drive for your OS and all of your working files ... which can now be moved back to the original drive, and you'll have that second drive to use as nothing but a backup.
That's IMO the best way to go.

You use GIMP ??? Good for you, so do I. So Gimp will take care of all of your image files. VLC and/or SMPlayer will take care of all of your listening/watching Video files. LibreOffice will take care of all of your Office related files, regardless if from Microsoft Office, OpenOffice, or LibreOffice. For video editing, you can use OpenShot. If you really like Chrome (I don't), then install either Chromium or Vivaldi. Vivaldi happens to be my favorite browser. Both of them, Vivaldi & Chromium, use the Chrome App Store for extensions and such. So any of your favorite chrome extensions will also be available for Chromium & Vivaldi. Now you're all set, without any concerns about security issues with that massively outdated Windows XP.
Cheers ... :happy:
Well, that may be. I think I already admitted to being paranoid and over-protective of my XP Pro, but I'd say better safe than sorry. I cannot think of any reason to go " bouncing in and out of" XP Pro using Linux. The "files such as Word, Exel, Text, PDF, AVI, MKV, MP4, MP3, jpeg, jpg, gif, png, ODT, etc. etc. etc." I have on that OS are perfectly fine where they are, and anything that needs to be done to them, XP Pro is quite capable of doing. Eventually I'll learn how to create files and manipulate them on MX, so there is no need to import them from Windows, nor to import MX files into Windows.
When a video is stuck, my on/off button is disabled, as is the eject button on my DVD burner. The only option I have found is to cut the power, which most say is bad news all the way around, without first doing the 'log-off' or 'turn off computer' procedure. I have found a possible workaround, as within firefox is a 'cached web content' with a 'clear now' button, and a 'limit cache to____MB of space' which I'll play around with to see if that stops the freeze up.
Linux is being learned as a secondary OS, not as a replacement for XP Pro, which will be in use until it can no longer be used, and given the longevity of Win2000 (and the fact I'm over sixty), I suspect it will outlast me. I have absolutely no need to use my secondary drive as a dedicated backup, as it is a 'mobile rack'. I can switch bare HDDs in and out, with the ease of an old 8-track tape player...one hard disc for Linux, one for backups, one for KolibriOS, etc., plus I have an external HDD docking station (Thermaltake ST0005U) just for doing backups.

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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#44 Post by devva231 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:46 am

sunrat wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:06 pm
There is no "Key". It probably should read
shutdown with - hold Alt-SysReq while pressing slowly REISUB to reboot or REISUO to shut down

If Conky shows the wrong time it's most likely your computer time is set wrong. Search for how to set the correct time.
According to google, one must hold down 'Alt' and 'SysRq' keys while typing REISUB or REISUO (I assume in capital letters which would also require either 'Caps Lock' or holding down 'Shift'). Way beyond my ability. Maybe a texting 'thumb master' of those pocketphones could do that, but not me.

My PC time is set to Google time and is correct. The Conky time is three hours up and set to am instead of pm, and once corrected, firefox refuses to connect to server. A disabled Conky is no problem for me...I have a wall clock and a calendar, so it's redundant. I'm just happy I got the firewall working.

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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#45 Post by HessenZone » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:33 am

devva231 wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:23 am
Well, that may be. I think I already admitted to being paranoid and over-protective of my XP Pro, but I'd say better safe than sorry. I cannot think of any reason to go " bouncing in and out of" XP Pro using Linux. The "files such as Word, Exel, Text, PDF, AVI, MKV, MP4, MP3, jpeg, jpg, gif, png, ODT, etc. etc. etc." I have on that OS are perfectly fine where they are, and anything that needs to be done to them, XP Pro is quite capable of doing. Eventually I'll learn how to create files and manipulate them on MX, so there is no need to import them from Windows, nor to import MX files into Windows.
Hmmm, if you feel that strongly about XP, then I honestly don't understand why you're even bothering with Linux in the first place? To me, MX Linux is even easier to use than Windows XP (if you allow yourself some time to get used to it), and I never meant for you to "import" or "export" any files between the two operating systems (XP and MX). What I was trying to explain is the fact that the above mentioned file types are ready to go and use right now, as is, without doing anything to them. That's why I mentioned moving your personal working files over to Linux, since you would be able to use them exactly as they are. And if you ended up being happy with MX Linux ... which is so much more stable, safer, secure, and being maintained ... then there'd be no more reason to keep a security prone, less stable, and un-maintained operating system on your working machine. Doesn't that make sense? If I was paranoid about my computer, that would make all the sense in the world to me since it is widely known how much more secure & stable Linux is, right out of the box.

To me, what you're saying is - I'm going to continue driving my 15 year old go-kart with balding tires and a failing engine for which there are no parts, in lieu of a brand new car which was given to me, just because I'm paranoid about the unknowns of that new car. While, at least that's how I feel, the only thing that really matters is the fact that my new car is much safer, with automatically more secure locks, much better protection, available mechanics for support, faster engine to get to my destination, etc. It's not about out with the old and in with the new, but rather, it's about out with insecure unmaintained no longer developed slow OS, and in with something that is not only so much better, but also easier to use.
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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#46 Post by Antediluvian » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:34 am

devva231 wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:46 am
According to google, one must hold down 'Alt' and 'SysRq' keys while typing REISUB or REISUO (I assume in capital letters which would also require either 'Caps Lock' or holding down 'Shift').
Yes, although typically written in capital letters, REISUB is typed in lower case. No caps lock or shift key required.

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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#47 Post by devva231 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:53 pm

HessenZone wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:33 am
devva231 wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:23 am
Well, that may be. I think I already admitted to being paranoid and over-protective of my XP Pro, but I'd say better safe than sorry. I cannot think of any reason to go " bouncing in and out of" XP Pro using Linux. The "files such as Word, Exel, Text, PDF, AVI, MKV, MP4, MP3, jpeg, jpg, gif, png, ODT, etc. etc. etc." I have on that OS are perfectly fine where they are, and anything that needs to be done to them, XP Pro is quite capable of doing. Eventually I'll learn how to create files and manipulate them on MX, so there is no need to import them from Windows, nor to import MX files into Windows.
Hmmm, if you feel that strongly about XP, then I honestly don't understand why you're even bothering with Linux in the first place? To me, MX Linux is even easier to use than Windows XP (if you allow yourself some time to get used to it), and I never meant for you to "import" or "export" any files between the two operating systems (XP and MX). What I was trying to explain is the fact that the above mentioned file types are ready to go and use right now, as is, without doing anything to them. That's why I mentioned moving your personal working files over to Linux, since you would be able to use them exactly as they are. And if you ended up being happy with MX Linux ... which is so much more stable, safer, secure, and being maintained ... then there'd be no more reason to keep a security prone, less stable, and un-maintained operating system on your working machine. Doesn't that make sense? If I was paranoid about my computer, that would make all the sense in the world to me since it is widely known how much more secure & stable Linux is, right out of the box.

To me, what you're saying is - I'm going to continue driving my 15 year old go-kart with balding tires and a failing engine for which there are no parts, in lieu of a brand new car which was given to me, just because I'm paranoid about the unknowns of that new car. While, at least that's how I feel, the only thing that really matters is the fact that my new car is much safer, with automatically more secure locks, much better protection, available mechanics for support, faster engine to get to my destination, etc. It's not about out with the old and in with the new, but rather, it's about out with insecure unmaintained no longer developed slow OS, and in with something that is not only so much better, but also easier to use.
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I was not aware it was an all or nothing proposition. Does Linux want to be my jealous and possessive 'beech' that demands a pinky-promise of fidelity, and commitment to forsake all other operating systems? If so it's crying time, as that is not what I'm looking for. XP Pro is, was (and so far as I know) always will be my primary OS. It's what I first learned computers/internet on, the OS I'm most comfortable with, and has served me well for over five years. No matter how you spin it, my skill with XP Pro is always going to be five years ahead of Linux. Why bother with learning Linux or KolibriOS or Syllable Desktop? Maybe for much the same reason some put time and effort into learning a second language. Frankly, I don't see any big reason not to.

I am already happy with MX Linux. For almost two months I had been using Puppy Linux as a LiveCD to teach myself Linux, and it was awful. Every time getting it to connect to the internet took nearly an hour of nervegrinding effort, and once connected, everything that came after was more of the same. With MX Linux as LiveCD, it connects 'automagically', and after less than a week with it, I can not only explore the net easily (my favorite hobby), I can watch movies and TV shows on the Internet-TV freesites....never got Puppy to do that, nor much else.

I keep hearing the same old blather about XP Pro being impossible to secure, prone to malware, unstable, etc., yet I've had it running at least six hours a day, every day, for at least six months, going all over the internet (including porn sites), and only had to deal with the euthanasia of three or four PUPs. So where are all the much ballyhooed rootkits, keyloggers, bots, ransomware, etc., the M$ parrots keep threatening me with? Apparently everywhere except in my XP Pro. For the past six months I had had a tech guy on retainer to come in once a month to service my PC, terminate any nasties, and basically do anything too complex for me, or whatever stuff I just don't wanna fool with. Know how many nasties he has found to date? None. After about four months of no nasties found, I got so paranoid from listening the the chatter of the doomsayers that I hauled my huge PC back to the computer shop that installed my DVD burner, 8Gb RAM, and mobile-rack, to do a 'deep-clean' for malware. Know how many nasties that found? None again. At that point I finally figured it out. When words don't match up to reality, the words are just blather and bunkum.

No, I'm going to continue to drive my classic 1964 Plymouth barracuda which runs just fine (irregardless of what the latest'n'greatest fanatics tell you), and seeing as it doesn't come with any blackbox, GPS tracker, etc., I'd consider it far superior to any current model the lemon salesmen are peddling on the car lots today.

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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#48 Post by devva231 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:06 pm

fehlix wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:46 pm
Re time and timezone: You appear to have your internal computer clock in localtime, which is the default for XP.
Better to tell MX Linux when you start by adding hwclock=local bootparamter after the "quiet"-bootparamter
to avoid manual timeshift adjustments.
In addition choose the proper timzone from the menu pressing F2 or add manually e.g. tz=America/New_York
For setup you brother printer see this post
When you run long video sessions with firefox in live mode you need to consider that those videos are kept for a while in cach-memory and fill up a lot of space. As the whole live session is running within RAM, you shall watch you available space before the system get stuck. You might consider to install and use a browser which requires less resources.
Well last night I tried your suggestion, and it seems to have worked, as I pulled a five hour cartoon binge with zero freeze-ups. I got my Polder timer, set it to alarm on the hour, and every hour I went into firefox, and purged the cache and history. Good call!

There is another problem that has turned up. If I do not at least jiggle the mouse every five minutes the monitor turns into a blackscreen, although the sound of the video continues. As soon as I move the mouse a little, the picture returns. Very irritating. Know of any fix for it?

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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#49 Post by tascoast » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:25 am

There is another problem that has turned up. If I do not at least jiggle the mouse every five minutes the monitor turns into a blackscreen, although the sound of the video continues. As soon as I move the mouse a little, the picture returns. Very irritating. Know of any fix for it?
Sounds like the default, which is a blank screen after five minutes, within screensaver in settings.
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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#50 Post by devva231 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:43 am

tascoast wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:25 am
There is another problem that has turned up. If I do not at least jiggle the mouse every five minutes the monitor turns into a blackscreen, although the sound of the video continues. As soon as I move the mouse a little, the picture returns. Very irritating. Know of any fix for it?
Sounds like the default, which is a blank screen after five minutes, within screensaver in settings.
Many thanks for the tip! I tried it yesterday, and end of problem with the constantly reappearing black screen. I had been trying to stop it via the power saving option, which was obviously the wrong guess.

One other question I have concerns installable browsers. I have been through both the MX in-house version and Synaptic. Neither lists the Tor Browser. Can it be installed? My tech guy will be coming by next month to add the Tor Browser to my XP Pro, disconnect it from Tor Network, and marry it to a VPN instead. Can the same be done with MX Linux if I install it to my secondary HDD?

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