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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#11 Post by turtlebay777 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:01 pm

duane wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:43 pm
I am a bit confused by this post. I never heard of XP running on a 64 bit computer.
There was (is) a version of XP Pro 64, I know because I have got a copy.

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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#12 Post by Gordon Cooper » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:57 pm

turtlebay777 wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:01 pm
duane wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:43 pm
I am a bit confused by this post. I never heard of XP running on a 64 bit computer.
There was (is) a version of XP Pro 64, I know because I have got a copy.

Yep, it was released in 2005.
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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#13 Post by sdibaja » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:22 pm

wow, had no idea. that would be a great option for a local market to keep using their old cash register software (never "connected")
https://softlay.net/operating-system/wi ... nload.html
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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#14 Post by turtlebay777 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:52 pm

Glad to help out then @ sdibaja.

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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#15 Post by duane » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:47 pm

There was an XP Pro 64.
I never knew that.

One of the things I like about this forum.
You learn something new!
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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#16 Post by turtlebay777 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:09 pm

duane wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:47 pm
There was an XP Pro 64.
I never knew that.

One of the things I like about this forum.
You learn something new!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_X ... 64_Edition

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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#17 Post by devva231 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:02 am

tascoast wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:23 am
An MX Live (and most other) CD will simply boot up a completely temporary version of MX into RAM. Your hardware will not notice anything afterwards in any practical sense. The only thing you 'could' do to upset Win is navigate to the HDD and start deleting or messing with files intentionally, or start modifying partitions , bootloader or other things that require a root (admin) password and some deliberate effort to accomplish, an unlikely event from what you describe wanting to achieve,in getting familiar.

Exiting by selecting Shut Sown via the menu Whisker Menu (just like a Win Start menu) is simple and conveniently ejects the disc too, before closing the door and powering off (from memory).

I would recommend reading through the User Manual during live sessions to become familiar. Once you feel settled in, I'd recommend creating a Live USB with persistence, as this will let you make changes and customise Linux, make mistakes etc, again without altering your PC as it stands.

The main difference you might find when running live will be the default vertical panel, although you can make it horizontal via MX Tools, one of the first places I recommend exploring when you begin. Of course, many new applications, although if you use open source applications in Win, you might already know things like Firefox, Thunderbird, VLC Player and Libre Office (open Office).

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Okay so I'll go over this, and if I am off the mark anywhere, maybe you can correct me. I keep my PC completely turned off when not in use, so the session starts with me reaching behind the PC, and flipping the switch between the PC cord and my TrippLite LS606M (I'm using it instead of a UPS), which gives the PC power, and the lights on it flicker, then turn off. I assume at this point I open the DVD tray, put in the Linux CD, close it, then push the PC 'on' button. Since I had the computer shop set the boot order to try CD/DVD first, I assume this is all that is needed to boot MX Linux. From looking at some Youtube videos, it appears I have to do the usual setup (language, time, password, etc.), and I assume this will be necessary each time I begin a LiveCD session. At this point I'm thinking I can begin exploring the OS? This point is where all the Youtube videos move onto installing, so I'm sketchy what happens next. Also not clear how to get to the 'shut down' or the Whisker Menu. I'll try watching the videos again, but they move so fast its hard to see what they're clicking on.

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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#18 Post by devva231 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:06 am

GuiGuy wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:04 am
You would do well to study the user manual
https://mxlinux.org/user_manual_mx17/mxum.pdf
in MSWindows before doing anything with MX.
Thanks for the link. I'll have the local print shop do it up, and add it to my reference collection. Is this the same exact version as what is included in the LiveCD?

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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#19 Post by devva231 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:56 am

asqwerth wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:53 am
After reading through the manual and testing MX live on your computer, you may decide at some point that you are ready to install MX onto your computer.

If so, please update the installer first before proceeding with the installation.

This is because there have been bug fixes and improvements to the installer since the release of MX17.1.
Thanks for the tip. Actual installation is likely a long way off. I would first need to determine if I can teach myself Linux (the videos on Youtube look promising). If this works, I would need to decide which distro I like the best, which means test driving each one in my CD/DVD collection (over 20).

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Re: Total beginner looking for LiveCD instructions

#20 Post by asqwerth » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:19 am

devva231 wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:02 am

Okay so I'll go over this, and if I am off the mark anywhere, maybe you can correct me. I keep my PC completely turned off when not in use, so the session starts with me reaching behind the PC, and flipping the switch between the PC cord and my TrippLite LS606M (I'm using it instead of a UPS), which gives the PC power, and the lights on it flicker, then turn off. I assume at this point I open the DVD tray, put in the Linux CD, close it, then push the PC 'on' button. ...
Yes, you should insert the CD in the tray before turning the PC on, if possible. Because you want the PC's BIOS to detect the CD and start booting from that instead of from your hard drive.
...Since I had the computer shop set the boot order to try CD/DVD first, I assume this is all that is needed to boot MX Linux. From looking at some Youtube videos, it appears I have to do the usual setup (language, time, password, etc.)...
Yes. I think the CD will first boot into the main boot menu of MX where you will have the main bootup options in the main window (the first one will just do the bootup into MX in US-English language and other default options). Look out for additional options under the Function keys.
..., and I assume this will be necessary each time I begin a LiveCD session.
Yes, every time you boot live from the CD, you'll have to set up again because the CD is a read-only medium so you can't write on it or change it (note: there is something called a frugal-install, but one step at a time)

Once you choose the boot option you want, say you select the standard boot option from the boot menu window, be patient as booting up from a live CD takes longer than booting from a live USB stick, because reading data from the CD is slower.
... At this point I'm thinking I can begin exploring the OS? This point is where all the Youtube videos move onto installing, so I'm sketchy what happens next. Also not clear how to get to the 'shut down' or the Whisker Menu. I'll try watching the videos again, but they move so fast its hard to see what they're clicking on.
Yes, explore all you want until you get comfy with the system. You don't have to install if you don't want to. Turn off when you're done playing with the liveCD. Reboot it when you want to use it again.

You'll lose your settings and setup for various programs, but hey, that may be what finally pushes you to the next step, namely either an install onto your hard drive or making a frugal install with the live CD.

As for how to get to the shutdown, click on the start button at the bottom left corner of the screen (to get the whisker menu). At the top right corner of the whisker menu is the power-button icon for the shut down/logout/reboot options.
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