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No system update notification after fresh install 17.1 64bit

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Buck Fankers
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No system update notification after fresh install 17.1 64bit

#1 Post by Buck Fankers » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:05 pm

This is fresh vanilla install, nothing changed or installed. (17.1, 64bit)

After few hours there was still no notification that system updates are available, which I knew there were. When I checked manually, there were 57 of them. I'm setting this computer for one senior person. How I can make sure further updates will show up automatically?

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$ inxi -r
Repos:     Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
           1: deb http://iso.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://iso.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Follow up question, there is an option, to install system updates automatically. I really like this idea in this case. How safe is it? Say for example, if user (not knowing updates are being installed in the background) decides to shut down computer, I'm assuming there will be notification about this and warning to wait with computer shutting down?

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Re: No system update notification after fresh install 17.1 64bit

#2 Post by MX<3 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:41 pm

Buck Fankers wrote:This is fresh vanilla install, nothing changed or installed. (17.1, 64bit)

After few hours there was still no notification that system updates are available, which I knew there were. When I checked manually, there were 57 of them. I'm setting this computer for one senior person. How I can make sure further updates will show up automatically?

Code: Select all

$ inxi -r
Repos:     Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
           1: deb http://iso.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://iso.mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Follow up question, there is an option, to install system updates automatically. I really like this idea in this case. How safe is it? Say for example, if user (not knowing updates are being installed in the background) decides to shut down computer, I'm assuming there will be notification about this and warning to wait with computer shutting down?

Nobody answered this?

Mine was doing that but a change of repo location fixed it. And the Auto-update option is 'upgrade' not 'full-upgrade'. Because 'upgrade' can break things over time (apparently), it's preferable to do a 'full-upgrade' manually. Teach the person to click the green box, when they see it and you're good.
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Re: No system update notification after fresh install 17.1 64bit

#3 Post by Buck Fankers » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:19 pm

MX<3 wrote: Mine was doing that but a change of repo location fixed it. And the Auto-update option is 'upgrade' not 'full-upgrade'. Because 'upgrade' can break things over time (apparently), it's preferable to do a 'full-upgrade' manually. Teach the person to click the green box, when they see it and you're good.
Thank you, will try this. (change of repo location)
Yes I meant full-upgrade.

This person is VERY nontechnical, couldn't get her to use Mint update either. I set updater to just do auto update when available. I would guess, this auto update is for 'full-upgrade', correct?

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Re: No system update notification after fresh install 17.1 64bit

#4 Post by MX<3 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:23 pm

Buck Fankers wrote:
MX<3 wrote: Mine was doing that but a change of repo location fixed it. And the Auto-update option is 'upgrade' not 'full-upgrade'. Because 'upgrade' can break things over time (apparently), it's preferable to do a 'full-upgrade' manually. Teach the person to click the green box, when they see it and you're good.
Thank you, will try this. (change of repo location)
Yes I meant full-upgrade.

This person is VERY nontechnical, couldn't get her to use Mint update either. I set updater to just do auto update when available. I would guess, this auto update is for 'full-upgrade', correct?

No. Unfortunately the Auto-Update feature is for 'Upgrade' not 'Full-Upgrade'

It just means that a full upgrade should be done every once in while. And maybe an 'apt-get -autoremove' too.

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Re: No system update notification after fresh install 17.1 64bit

#5 Post by Buck Fankers » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:00 pm

MX<3 wrote:
No. Unfortunately the Auto-Update feature is for 'Upgrade' not 'Full-Upgrade'
Ouch!
I need to go there and fix this, thanks for telling me!

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Re: No system update notification after fresh install 17.1 64bit

#6 Post by asqwerth » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:01 pm

Buck Fankers wrote:
MX<3 wrote:
No. Unfortunately the Auto-Update feature is for 'Upgrade' not 'Full-Upgrade'
Ouch!
I need to go there and fix this, thanks for telling me!
There were technical issues with why the auto update uses apt upgrade and not apt full-upgrade, IIRC. Something to do with using Debian's unattended-updates package as a basis of the auto update functionality. The unattended-updates package is apparently linked to apt-upgrade.

That's my non tech understanding, so the devs may come by to correct me!
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Re: No system update notification after fresh install 17.1 64bit

#7 Post by Buck Fankers » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:27 am

asqwerth wrote: There were technical issues with why the auto update uses apt upgrade and not apt full-upgrade, IIRC. Something to do with using Debian's unattended-updates package as a basis of the auto update functionality.
Yeah, I'm sure there is a reason for it.
Maybe text next to it can be changed a little bit explaining this, I had no clue.

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