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upgrade packages kept back

#1 Post by towwire » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:16 pm

The package shown here as kept back {mx-apps (17.05.03 => 17.09.01mx16)} has been that way for a month now. Is there a reason or do I need to do something else?

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apt-get upgrade
  Reading package lists...
  Building dependency tree...
  Reading state information...
  The following packages have been kept back:
     mx-apps (17.05.03 => 17.09.01mx16)
  The following packages will be upgraded:
     firefox (55.0.3~mozillabinaries-1mx15+1 => 56.0~mozillabinaries-1mx15+1)
     ghostscript (9.06~dfsg-2+deb8u5 => 9.06~dfsg-2+deb8u6)
     ghostscript-x (9.06~dfsg-2+deb8u5 => 9.06~dfsg-2+deb8u6)
     libgs9 (9.06~dfsg-2+deb8u5 => 9.06~dfsg-2+deb8u6)
     libgs9-common (9.06~dfsg-2+deb8u5 => 9.06~dfsg-2+deb8u6)
     mx-snapshot (17.6mx16+1 => 17.9.2)
     mx-tools (17.6mx16 => 17.9)
  7 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
  Need to get 48.7 MB of archives.
  After this operation, 8,606 kB of additional disk space will be used.

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Re: upgrade packages kept back

#2 Post by dolphin_oracle » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:20 pm

by default, apt-get upgrade doesn't remove any packages, and the update to mx-apps will remove mx-broadcom-manager in lieu of mx-network-assistant, as I recall.

apt-get dist-upgrade will let it go thru.
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Re: upgrade packages kept back

#3 Post by asqwerth » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:01 am

Did you change your Synaptic/apt-notifier settings to carry out apt-get upgrade rather than apt-get dist-upgrade? Because the latter is the default.
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Re: upgrade packages kept back

#4 Post by Clidix » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:15 am

Sorry for the dumb question...
What is the difference dist-upgrade between update (in mx updater)?

Thank you for your answer!

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Re: upgrade packages kept back

#5 Post by dolphin_oracle » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:32 am

Clidix wrote:Sorry for the dumb question...
What is the difference dist-upgrade between update (in mx updater)?

Thank you for your answer!

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in the future, please start a fresh topic.

now your answer is in the help file.

Options in Preference Dialog
Change upgrade behavior.
upgrade
From the man file: upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all packages
currently installed on the system from the sources enumerated
in /etc/apt/sources.list. Packages currently installed with
new versions available are retrieved and upgraded; under no
circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or
packages not already installed retrieved and installed. New
versions of currently installed packages that cannot be
upgraded without changing the install status of another
package will be left at their current version.
An update must
be performed first so that apt-get knows that new versions of
packages are available.

dist-upgrade
From the man file: dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of
upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with
new versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict
resolution system, and it will attempt to upgrade the most
important packages at the expense of less important ones if
necessary. The dist-upgrade command may therefore remove some
packages.
The /etc/apt/sources.list file contains a list of
locations from which to retrieve desired package files.
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Re: upgrade packages kept back

#6 Post by Clidix » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:59 am

Sorry, and thank you for your answer.

So, if I use always dist-upgrade, will be my system fresh and stable?

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Re: upgrade packages kept back

#7 Post by dolphin_oracle » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:42 am

Should be fine, and that is the defaults we ship with
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Re: upgrade packages kept back

#8 Post by asqwerth » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:54 am

Please see my post here:

viewtopic.php?p=428828#p428828

Same reasoning holds for everyday normal updates. If the Dev Team decides to implement new features to, say, one of the apps in MX tools but these changes will require new packages to be installed in addition to merely making changes to the existing package, you will never get that updated MX app if you only use upgrade instead of dist-upgrade.

That's why MX-Updater's default action is dist-upgrade.


"Always Fresh and stable" is a different concept. Both are still stable, but one is perhaps more fresh than the other. As for "Always", well, Debian Stable-based distros are fixed release distros and even though support can last for quite a few years, eventually that particular version/release of the distro will need to be replaced with a newer version of said distro if you want to use something that still receives security updates.
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Re: upgrade packages kept back

#9 Post by Clidix » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:02 pm

I see!

Thank you for your answers!

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