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File Manager (Thunar) Freeze

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Post by 2guntom » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:34 pm

I was advised to move this question to the forum "if it was real".

I have experienced Thunar locking up on me at various occasions and under different circumstances.
When I leave the pc unattended, Thunar sometimes locks up, but not always; this is on different computers that I use at work.

I just fired up my laptop and Thunar locked up; more info in a minute
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Re: File Manager (Thunar) Freeze

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Post by 2guntom » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:40 pm

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Re: File Manager (Thunar) Freeze

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Post by 2guntom » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:41 pm

mx16@mx1:~
$ inxi -F
System: Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.12.2
Distro: MX-16_x64 Metamorphosis 12 December 2016
Machine: Device: portable System: Dell product: Latitude E5400
Mobo: Dell model: 0D695C BIOS: Dell v: A19 date: 06/13/2013
Battery BAT0: charge: 65.9 Wh 87.2% condition: 75.6/78.0 Wh (97%)
CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 Duo T7250 (-MCP-) cache: 2048 KB
clock speeds: max: 2001 MHz 1: 2000 MHz 2: 1200 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel Mobile 4 Series Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1280x800@60.00hz
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Mobile Intel GM45 Express GLX Version: 2.1
Audio: Card Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network: Card-1: Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5761e Gigabit Ethernet PCIe driver: tg3
IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:25:64:6c:a4:35
Card-2: Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1030 [Rainbow Peak] driver: iwlwifi
IF: wlan0 state: up mac: bc:77:37:a9:15:37
Drives: HDD Total Size: 516.1GB (2.9% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: SAMSUNG_SSD_UM41 size: 16.0GB
ID-2: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD5000LPVX size: 500.1GB
ID-3: /dev/mmcblk0 model: N/A size: 2.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 13G used: 8.1G (68%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.17GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
ID-3: swap-2 size: 4.24GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdb5
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 43.0C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info: Processes: 185 Uptime: 13 min Memory: 477.4/3911.4MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.21
mx16@mx1:~
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Re: File Manager (Thunar) Freeze

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Post by timkb4cq » Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:19 pm

We have had reports that on some machines the tumbler program causes Thunar freezing.
Tumbler is a dbus service that generates thumbnail images for various file dialogs. The easiest way to determine if that's the problem would be to uninstall tumbler & tumbler-common. They are easily reinstalled if something else is causing the freezes.
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Re: File Manager (Thunar) Freeze

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Post by 2guntom » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:02 pm

timkb4cq wrote:We have had reports that on some machines the tumbler program causes Thunar freezing.
Tumbler is a dbus service that generates thumbnail images for various file dialogs. The easiest way to determine if that's the problem would be to uninstall tumbler & tumbler-common. They are easily reinstalled if something else is causing the freezes.
Cool. I'll try that and see what happens :happy:
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Re: File Manager (Thunar) Freeze

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Post by 2guntom » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:41 pm

Still testing; so far, so good.
I am purposely leaving Thunar open at work.

Day 3: no freezes, no warning messages.

The problem was sporadic, and did not occur on every machine I use. Just like any intermittent issue, when you think you have fixed it...

I'll keep trying to break it and post results
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Re: File Manager (Thunar) Freeze

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Post by 2guntom » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:09 pm

Primary computer running fine with tumbler removed. I guess I don't understand what function/purpose tumbler has/does because the system seems to run fine without it and I don't experience a loss of functionality...

2 other computers left unattended for an indiscriminate amount of time had a Thunar malfunction. tumbler was subsequently removed.

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Re: File Manager (Thunar) Freeze

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Post by Stevo » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:17 pm

Someone just mentioned on the Debian forums that Thunar 1.6.11, which is what we have in MX 16, seems to have some bugs in Stretch which 1.6.12 would address. Can you try 1.6.12 in the test repository to see if that could work with tumbler?

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Re: File Manager (Thunar) Freeze

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Post by entropyfoe » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:00 pm

Same here, i have removed tumbler, with no noticible effect on performance.
I had a good 5 days up-time until a power failure last night. That was after removing tumbler and tumbler-common with synaptic.

I had up to 16 days on this relatively new hardware, which I consider still in stability testing. I have to beat the 16 days at least.
My criteria is absolute stability, nothing that forces a restart of the kernel or x.

An application can lock up, but it can be killed.
My earlier signature machine under MX was unconditionally stable, up-times of months, until it is time to reboot to make sure a lot of major changes area also stable upon a boot.
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Re: File Manager (Thunar) Freeze

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Post by asqwerth » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:41 am

I'm experiencing the Thunar freeze at times while browsing my files on /home in my "preserve /home" install of MX17. The /home is from the MX15 installation that used to reside there.

I was mostly opening and closing a large number of small-sized conky config files and their sub-folders in /home. This was a collection of conkies (and supporting scripts and assets) I had saved since MX14 days. I didn't install CM at all in MX15/16 but now that CM is pre-installed in MX17, I was reviewing these files that had been gathering dust.

I would be clicking to open various conkies or their respective sub-folders without problem when unexpectedly the next clicked item would just fail to open and Thunar would become unresponsive. I would then have to close and reopen Thunar. Happened quite a few times. Closing Thunar itself is quick and without problem - just click on the "Close" button in the window bar. This is unlike my other experiences where some other app has frozen in Windows or Linux. Usually for those, when something hangs, even the closing hangs and you often have to force close.

I haven't experienced any freeze whatsoever on my install of the MX17-preRC1, where I didn't preserve /home at all. I didn't browse conkys a great deal in the preRC1, but I did browse and open a fair number of other files as well as wallpapers from my large collection, which are saved in different sub-folders.

Any idea what is in my old installed home, or what's new in the fresh MX17 settings, that might be the difference?
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