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Video horizontal flickering/tearing - Intel graphics

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Re: Video horizontal flickering/tearing - Intel graphics

#41 Post by KoO » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:17 am

I must say that I am also sorry this happened, but this is not the first time I have seen stsoh talk like this in the forums.

Also I think I over reacted to his behaviour and had no right in blaming Antix or MX for this.

I will always support AntiX & MX in any way I can, you all work so hard at making something better all the time in a friendly helpful way. I can only Thank all involved for a Great place to be..

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Re: Video horizontal flickering/tearing - Intel graphics

#42 Post by asqwerth » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:52 am

To play devil's advocate, I don't think stsoh's remarks were that terrible. Some people are just more blunt than others. But there were no vulgarities. I think it is just a matter of how he expresses himself in English, which might not be his native language looking at his name.

Also, looking at his track record, he has posted helpful comments in response to requests for help in various threads.

There have been only a few posters on the forum that I would consider disruptive, e.g. that person who created a respin of MX with warez and questionable software, then got upset when the mods clamped down on it.

I don't consider stsoh in that list, IMO.
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Re: Video horizontal flickering/tearing - Intel graphics

#43 Post by Eadwine Rose » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:56 am

In any case.. now that all has been said and done.. can we go back on topic please? ;) Thanks!
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Re: Video horizontal flickering/tearing - Intel graphics

#44 Post by Serban » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:06 pm

Hi!
I had the same problem.
The origin is the Intel driver:
xserver-xorg-video-intel
Remove it using Synaptic PM and everything will go smooth.
Intel chipsets have now kernel support so, using the Intel driver is less recommendable.
In fact, I found a recommendation on the Debian site, to drop this driver since it is well known it causes trouble on many machines.
On Linux Mint, there is a Driver Manager App that allows you to install/uninstall, but Synaptic does it well enough.
Compositing engine, has nothing to do with this, since the driver is the problem.
Hope that will fix the problem! :)
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Re: Video horizontal flickering/tearing - Intel graphics

#45 Post by freefreeno » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:25 pm

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System:    Host: mxpc Kernel: 4.19.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 
           Distro: MX-18b1_x64 Continuum December 3  2018 
Machine:   Type: N/A System: LENOVO product: 80V4 v: Lenovo YOGA 710-14IKB 
           serial: <root required> 
           Mobo: LENOVO model: LNVNB161216 v: SDK0J40709 WIN serial: <root required> 
           UEFI: LENOVO v: 2XCN38WW(V2.12) date: 07/10/2018 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT1 charge: 45.4 Wh condition: 45.4/53.0 Wh (86%) 
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-7200U bits: 64 type: MT MCP 
           L2 cache: 3072 KiB 
           Speed: 800 MHz min/max: 400/3100 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 798 2: 800 3: 800 4: 800 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel driver: i915 v: kernel 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa 
           resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 620 (Kaby Lake GT2) v: 4.5 Mesa 18.2.6 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel driver: snd_hda_intel 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-1-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Intel Wireless 8260 driver: iwlwifi 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 44:85:00:fe:90:a2 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 232.89 GiB used: 4.64 GiB (2.0%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Samsung model: SSD 860 EVO M.2 250GB size: 232.89 GiB 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 68.40 GiB used: 4.36 GiB (6.4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 
           ID-2: /home size: 136.80 GiB used: 288.9 MiB (0.2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 41.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Info:      Processes: 177 Uptime: 55m Memory: 7.64 GiB used: 632.6 MiB (8.1%) Shell: bash 
           inxi: 3.0.25 
Rippling in chrome and firefox while scrolling. It was also this way onMX-17. Some machines especially laptops require an AMD Pci bus driver but not the entire graphics driver and I can't seem to figure out how MX is handling this. For instance my machine as well a lot of lenovo machines require AMD Pci Bus while in windows and that is the same as Microsoft's version of pci express root complex and if you do not have this little driver most of the time your screen will be black so I am just putting this out there. I dont't know how linux is handling the simple fact that I have a PCI bus supplied by AMD in an intel based system.I dont know how linux handles PCI bus's. I do know that I dont have this rippling in Linux Lite or Linux Mint. I tried compton also with no luck. It is worse with rippling not horizontal but at an angle from corner to corner.

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Re: Video horizontal flickering/tearing - Intel graphics

#46 Post by qwertyblahblah » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:15 am

Serban wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:06 pm
Hi!
I had the same problem.
The origin is the Intel driver:
xserver-xorg-video-intel
Remove it using Synaptic PM and everything will go smooth.
Intel chipsets have now kernel support so, using the Intel driver is less recommendable.
In fact, I found a recommendation on the Debian site, to drop this driver since it is well known it causes trouble on many machines.
On Linux Mint, there is a Driver Manager App that allows you to install/uninstall, but Synaptic does it well enough.
Compositing engine, has nothing to do with this, since the driver is the problem.
Hope that will fix the problem! :)
After I removed xserver-xorg-video-intel then rebooted my machine... I couldn't get into my MX desktop! What happened? I don't think Synaptic removed any dependencies.

By the way, I have the video problems with Linux Mint 18.3 XFCE but not Mint 19 XFCE. MX is my OS and I don't want to have to use Mint live just to watch streaming video.

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Re: Video horizontal flickering/tearing - Intel graphics

#47 Post by dolphin_oracle » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:45 am

the intel drivers in the kernel are not the same as the intel drivers used by xorg. You need both.

so put the xserver-xorg-video-intel package back.
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Re: Video horizontal flickering/tearing - Intel graphics

#48 Post by Stevo » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:11 pm

Actually, you only need them both if your machine is using the "intel" driver either by default because it's pretty old, or because you've told it to with the 20-intel.conf file like the MX Tweak setting does. But Serban's advice is incomplete--you're probably already running the modesetting driver by default like freefreeno, so removing the xserver-xorg-video-intel package does nothing, and in fact can be harmful.

Newer machines use modesetting by default, but that shows the rippling in Firefox for many as noted by freefreeno, including me, and switching to the "intel" driver fixes that. So I'd try that tweak first if you're in freefreeno's situation.

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Re: Video horizontal flickering/tearing - Intel graphics

#49 Post by qwertyblahblah » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:35 pm

To clarify my present predicament:

I manually added the 20-intel.conf file in February, which corrected the problem at the time. I take it that configuration was only added to Tweak since then. I have not changed back to modesetting at all, yet the flickering/tearing problem resurfaced a while ago. I now tried manually removing 20-intel.conf then enabling it as configured in Tweak, to no avail. Serban's suggestion of removing xserver-xorg-video-intel I guess disabled xorg entirely as my MX desktop didn't load and I only got a terminal prompt when I booted, from where I had to readd xserver-xorg-video-intel.

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Re: Video horizontal flickering/tearing - Intel graphics

#50 Post by Stevo » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:12 pm

Something then must still have been telling your system to use the "intel" system, IMO. I wonder what "inxi -G" would have reported from that terminal screen...probably not what I wanted to see if X wasn't running. Maybe "startx" would have been more informative.

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